You are advocating for putting more than 80% of Jews in camps.
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You are advocating for putting more than 80% of Jews in camps.
Settlers and IDF members make up more than 80% of the world's Jews?
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You are advocating for putting more than 80% of Jews in camps.
wrote last edited by [email protected]I am saying that people who have committed or supported crimes need to be held responsible by law.
This has nothing to do with their religion or ethnicity. There is many Jews who want nothing to do with Israel or actively oppose its crimes. It is unfair, to lump them in with the genocidal criminals of the IDF and their supporters.
It is crucial to arrest the criminals, who often have committed crimes such as rape, torture, kidnapping and murder to protect the innocent Civilians.
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I am saying that people who have committed or supported crimes need to be held responsible by law.
This has nothing to do with their religion or ethnicity. There is many Jews who want nothing to do with Israel or actively oppose its crimes. It is unfair, to lump them in with the genocidal criminals of the IDF and their supporters.
It is crucial to arrest the criminals, who often have committed crimes such as rape, torture, kidnapping and murder to protect the innocent Civilians.
Pretty sure they mean bc it sounds like you're implying anyone who's been in the IDF should be detained, and IDF service is mandatory
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Settlers and IDF members make up more than 80% of the world's Jews?
wrote last edited by [email protected]80 % of Jews are Zionists.
Most anti-Zionists consider all Jews in Israel to be settlers. Service in the IDF is mandatory. So you end up with half the world’s Jews in camps. Plus of course the Druze in Israel.
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Pretty sure they mean bc it sounds like you're implying anyone who's been in the IDF should be detained, and IDF service is mandatory
Detained until it is established that they haven't committed any crimes. Such is the normal procedure for suspects of murder and other serious crimes.
However there is also people who have refused service, so it is not strictly mandatory, but remains a choice.
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Pretty sure they mean bc it sounds like you're implying anyone who's been in the IDF should be detained, and IDF service is mandatory
So was Hitler Youth.
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80 % of Jews are Zionists.
Most anti-Zionists consider all Jews in Israel to be settlers. Service in the IDF is mandatory. So you end up with half the world’s Jews in camps. Plus of course the Druze in Israel.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Okay, so we've gone from "80%" to "half."
Interesting.
Now, consider the fact that they used "settler" and "IDF" separately. That tells me that they actually don't believe every single Jew in Israel is a settler, and in fact they are referring specifically to the illegal settler movement that is actively and continually stealing more land as we speak.
So. All members of the active and ongoing settler movement and IDF members. At this point, no IDF member can be assumed innocent, and the settlers are already breaking the law.
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Detained until it is established that they haven't committed any crimes. Such is the normal procedure for suspects of murder and other serious crimes.
However there is also people who have refused service, so it is not strictly mandatory, but remains a choice.
Over a million people would have to be detained though. How do you do that without violating human rights? Quarantine the 'country'? Build 50 mega prisons?
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Okay, so we've gone from "80%" to "half."
Interesting.
Now, consider the fact that they used "settler" and "IDF" separately. That tells me that they actually don't believe every single Jew in Israel is a settler, and in fact they are referring specifically to the illegal settler movement that is actively and continually stealing more land as we speak.
So. All members of the active and ongoing settler movement and IDF members. At this point, no IDF member can be assumed innocent, and the settlers are already breaking the law.
Half of Jews live in Israel. 80% of Jews worldwide are Zionists, if not more.
Among the anti-Zionists the words settlers, occupation, Zionist have different definitions. The most extreme use these words to appeal to moderates, who then think they are in agreement.
When Hamas speaks about settlers and occupation they mean all of Israel and all Jews living there. The naive western activist doesn’t understand that though and erroneously thinks it’s about the West Bank only. The idea of killing or pushing out the Jews/settlers/Zionists, which are used interchangeably in Arabic, and taking back their ancestors houses they still have the key to, is mainstream among Palestinians.
A similar thing happens when Jew is replaced with Zionist by extremists. Suddenly it become far more palatable even though most Jews are Zionists, as in believe Israel should exist. Antisemites love this little trick. The use of the word Zionist has moved the meaning a lot. It’s now closer to just mean evil Jew. Which is exactly how far right antisemites have used this word for decades in terms like ZOG.
Hamas also routinely uses the following argument: there are no Israeli civilians because they all serve in the IDF.
I agree that soldiers who have committed war crimes and politicians who ordered crimes against humanity should be brought to justice.
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Over a million people would have to be detained though. How do you do that without violating human rights? Quarantine the 'country'? Build 50 mega prisons?
The US alone has a prison capacity of about 2 million people. It shouldn't be too difficult to spread the suspects in prisons around the world. Maybe some people with non-violent offenses such as theft, drug possession or fraud would have to be released on suspended sentences a bit earlier to make space.
However Israel also has a quite large prison capacity. I would argue that the people who run places like Sde Teiman do not have their rights violated if they become inmates there themselves. After all they keep claiming that these facilities are not in violation of human rights.
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Half of Jews live in Israel. 80% of Jews worldwide are Zionists, if not more.
Among the anti-Zionists the words settlers, occupation, Zionist have different definitions. The most extreme use these words to appeal to moderates, who then think they are in agreement.
When Hamas speaks about settlers and occupation they mean all of Israel and all Jews living there. The naive western activist doesn’t understand that though and erroneously thinks it’s about the West Bank only. The idea of killing or pushing out the Jews/settlers/Zionists, which are used interchangeably in Arabic, and taking back their ancestors houses they still have the key to, is mainstream among Palestinians.
A similar thing happens when Jew is replaced with Zionist by extremists. Suddenly it become far more palatable even though most Jews are Zionists, as in believe Israel should exist. Antisemites love this little trick. The use of the word Zionist has moved the meaning a lot. It’s now closer to just mean evil Jew. Which is exactly how far right antisemites have used this word for decades in terms like ZOG.
Hamas also routinely uses the following argument: there are no Israeli civilians because they all serve in the IDF.
I agree that soldiers who have committed war crimes and politicians who ordered crimes against humanity should be brought to justice.
I'm pretty sure Hamas uses "settler" to refer to the Europeans and their descendents, because Israel is an active settler-colonial project.
Not because they're Jewish, but because they're white.
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I'm pretty sure Hamas uses "settler" to refer to the Europeans and their descendents, because Israel is an active settler-colonial project.
Not because they're Jewish, but because they're white.
Are you saying that most Jewish people aren't actually Jewish anymore because they became white Europeans when their ancestors left the middle east, or at least that Hamas is saying that?
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Over a million people would have to be detained though. How do you do that without violating human rights? Quarantine the 'country'? Build 50 mega prisons?
Don't need to detain them. Need to learn the lessons og the past. We let the southern aristocracy stay alive abd have full privileges after the US civil war, and they were back in chqrge within 30 years, stole our country from us a few decades later.
We let nembers of the ss be most of the structure of the german successor state that we let survive, and now theyre officially zionist.
These are monsters. They do not want to be human, they arent worty saving, and if they support shit like this, i don't see the point in wasting food or water on them. Their continued existence is a threat to all life. Just don't tolerate it. Maybe it's possible they coukd be people again, but it just isnt worth the cost, isn't worth the risk.
Pretty big overlap with neomalthusians anyway. Im sure they'll understand.
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Pretty sure they mean bc it sounds like you're implying anyone who's been in the IDF should be detained, and IDF service is mandatory
Being a member of the idf without doing sabotage is a crime against humanity. Im human. I kinda take that shit personally.
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Pretty sure they mean bc it sounds like you're implying anyone who's been in the IDF should be detained, and IDF service is mandatory
wrote last edited by [email protected]It is possible to not serve in the IDF, in apartheid Israel Jewish citizens have similar options to evade military service as in most democratic countries. It just closes the door to lucrative army or tech jobs as having served in the IDF is prestigious and serving in the right units can be a major career boost. Hence, if you have served in the IDF, you have willingly served in a genocidal occupation army and it is very likely that you have been at least complicit in committing war crimes.
