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Flying still cheaper than trains on most EU routes, study finds

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  • I [email protected]

    I'm just here to applaud the mods... (See the deleted comments/spam)

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    Wow, that's crazy. I just saw the same thing at the news channel.

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    • lime@feddit.nuL [email protected]

      okay, so revise the numbers.

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      I have calculated conservatively. The result is the lower bound. With optimal conditions twice the energy could be generated.

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      • I [email protected]

        I'm just here to applaud the mods... (See the deleted comments/spam)

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        What happened?

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        • P [email protected]

          I have calculated conservatively. The result is the lower bound. With optimal conditions twice the energy could be generated.

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          it's not though, because we've already shown that it was overstated by a factor of 10.

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            it's not though, because we've already shown that it was overstated by a factor of 10.

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            No, you thought that I had inflated numbers and thus reduced the factor but that reduction is not necessary. There is even another underestimation because the land for the tracks is wider than three meters.

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            • P [email protected]

              No, you thought that I had inflated numbers and thus reduced the factor but that reduction is not necessary. There is even another underestimation because the land for the tracks is wider than three meters.

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              i gotta ask, is this a devils advocate thing? because your responses are all so incredibly off that i can't realistically believe that you believe what you are saying.

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              • lime@feddit.nuL [email protected]

                i gotta ask, is this a devils advocate thing? because your responses are all so incredibly off that i can't realistically believe that you believe what you are saying.

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                There is nothing to believe. Trains only make sense with more than 37k daily passengers. You have the Wikipedia pages for the numbers and you can do the multiplications for yourself.

                I have just stopped caring about downvotes. This is not the first time the hive mind is off but I rarely see facts being ignored this strongly.

                I prefer trains because planes are loud. But that's not relevant for the economics. If people want trains they should push for trains where they make sense, and not everywhere.

                Trains make sense for high volumes of passengers. A highspeed train has to pay about $8 per km. So for a 100km trainride with 800 passengers, one passenger has to pay $1 whereas the plane burns kerosine for $2,40.

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                • I [email protected]

                  I'm just here to applaud the mods... (See the deleted comments/spam)

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                  They're late because the train is delayed

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                  • P [email protected]

                    There is nothing to believe. Trains only make sense with more than 37k daily passengers. You have the Wikipedia pages for the numbers and you can do the multiplications for yourself.

                    I have just stopped caring about downvotes. This is not the first time the hive mind is off but I rarely see facts being ignored this strongly.

                    I prefer trains because planes are loud. But that's not relevant for the economics. If people want trains they should push for trains where they make sense, and not everywhere.

                    Trains make sense for high volumes of passengers. A highspeed train has to pay about $8 per km. So for a 100km trainride with 800 passengers, one passenger has to pay $1 whereas the plane burns kerosine for $2,40.

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                    it's because your arguments are not sourced properly and your comparisons don't apply

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                    • lime@feddit.nuL [email protected]

                      it's because your arguments are not sourced properly and your comparisons don't apply

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                      Whereas everybody else sources their arguments. Which number of mine is not sourced by now?

                      However I didn't expect that I had to source basic solar cell numbers in a post that is vaguely about renewable energies.

                      Why do the comparisons not apply?

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                      • B [email protected]

                        Which is cheaper:

                        • lift 50 tons of metal off the ground burning 20,000 liters of fuel
                        • make 50 tons of metal run over the ground using electricity

                        How is this obvious?

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                        If you ever traveled in Europe, you just know

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