Don't fix the problem just change the parameters
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I fail to see why problem an analogue clocks are a solution for.
Like cursive they are obsolete.
My thoughts exactly. This just screams "old men afraid of change, thinking everything was better back in the day". The world is changing, things become obsolete because they're replaced by newer, better stuff all the time.
I'm sure people were complaining that kids were getting stupider when they stopped using abascuses, fucking cursive (I specifically remember people being upset about this one), dictionaries in book form, fountain pens, handwritten exams.
It's time for a lot of people to realise that they themselves have become the complaining old farts they always hated as kids.
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My thoughts exactly. This just screams "old men afraid of change, thinking everything was better back in the day". The world is changing, things become obsolete because they're replaced by newer, better stuff all the time.
I'm sure people were complaining that kids were getting stupider when they stopped using abascuses, fucking cursive (I specifically remember people being upset about this one), dictionaries in book form, fountain pens, handwritten exams.
It's time for a lot of people to realise that they themselves have become the complaining old farts they always hated as kids.
I know a Gen X guy who "hates" digital clocks because "they don't have hands to tell me what time it is."
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Snopes article about this from 2018 stating it’s mostly false.
Its becoming a reality though. I work in a school (primary and secondary) and the exams officer is putting digital clocks only in the exam rooms for that reason.
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First: Some UK teachers exchanged the analogue with digital clocks. This was only to reduce interruptions by some students (during a specific kind of UK exams), who had trouble determining the remaining time in the heat of the exam battle.
Secondly: The use of analogue clocks is taught at UK schools. What's missing is the practice that former generations of pupils had. No more wristwatches, public clocks all but gone, and (what I am nostalgically missing from my youth) no more peeking onto parked car's dashboards to read the analogue clock there. Times have changed, and this specific partially lost ability is not the schools' fault. (Not to say that other things aren't...)
Can we please bury that stupid old meme, as it has been based on some inaccurate buzz and largely giving a completely inaccurate impression of the topic from the start...
My wrist watches were always digital, public clocks in suburbia I'm just gonna say never existed, in cars wtf?
I can only see this as an education problem.
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Still can't understand how any kid cannot do it. Isn't that something you learn from your parents before you even go to school
I remember learning in second grade.
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"yikes" what?
Passing exams is not an entitlement, it is an achievement. If someone is an idiot unable to understand the clock, they shouldn't be in the exam room in the first place - and they certainly shouldn't expect someone will start explaining clock to them when they are supposed to write an exam.
Why are you so adamant that reading an analog clock is required to pass an exam that doesn't feature any material related to reading analog clocks?
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I fail to see why problem an analogue clocks are a solution for.
Like cursive they are obsolete.
They still exist and will continue to exist in many contexts indefinitely, such as men's fashion and clock towers, so there it's not like they'll ever be "obsolete" per se. They are also extremely easy to learn, and are a good way to teach concepts like spatial reasoning and gears to kids. I think schools should teach about them for those reasons.
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I think removing everything that kids have a bit of a hard time trying to grasp just teaches kids to give up if anything isn't immediately apparent. Its not as much of a waste of time as cursive, and it's to be taught to think in another way.
I think that kids "learning how to learn" is really important, especially with how these AI models are stunting like a whole generation of people.
This is minor,
but I also think less things need electronic displays/components that are hard to recycle and increase dependency on exploiting X country for Y resource. Its also cool to just be able to build a physical mechanism which digital clocks have no real feasible option to do -
They still exist and will continue to exist in many contexts indefinitely, such as men's fashion and clock towers, so there it's not like they'll ever be "obsolete" per se. They are also extremely easy to learn, and are a good way to teach concepts like spatial reasoning and gears to kids. I think schools should teach about them for those reasons.
All of your examples are aesthetics..
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All of your examples are aesthetics..
cursive is faster than block face though.
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One part of me wants to feel disappointed that kids aren't learning to read analog clocks, but another part of me thinks there was a time when people grew disappointed that the younger generations stopped learning to use an abacus in favor of digital calculators. I certainly don't want some old geezer giving me shit because I don't want to learn to use an abacus. I also don't want to be that old geezer.
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I fail to see why problem an analogue clocks are a solution for.
Like cursive they are obsolete.
wrote last edited by [email protected]My daughter got analog clocks before she could read when she was about three years old. IMHO it's a teaching skill issue. Take a normal wall clock, remove all hands except the hour hand, split the day into segments (brushing teeth, lunch, Kindergarten, etc.) and draw (did that in Gimp) some nice symbols and colors. Done. Explain stuff every time she asks "when" using that wall clock. Let that sink in for a year. Now add the minute hand back in.
Analog clocks are not really "obsolete" if you ask me. Hands on a circle aren't used enough. We have "clocks" (this time inverted - the circle spins and the hand/indicator is fixed) out of cardboards for a week to learn the days of the week, including "activity" symbols for kindergarten, "weekend", "music lesson", etc. a wheel for "day of the month", and one for month of the year also showing seasons.
The total amount of time that was invested in building those was about three or four hours but the value is huge when you have something to point to when she asks anything about time no matter it's about when we go to sleep, birthdays, holidays, etc.
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I also wonder: what’s the goal of teaching this? Sure, a cursory lesson is a good idea, but making it a fundamental step seems nonsensical in a world that doesn’t require it at all. It’s like teaching how to sharpen a quill, it’s not needed anymore
It's an easy way to introduce fractions, especially since it's common to hear/say it's a quarter passed 2, half passed 5, and a quarter to 9.
Also teaches multiples, since the numbers on the clock represent multiples of 5.
Helps with directions, clockwise is when the hands spin to the right and counter-clockwise to the left. You'd be amazed how many students can't tell their left from right.
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First: Some UK teachers exchanged the analogue with digital clocks. This was only to reduce interruptions by some students (during a specific kind of UK exams), who had trouble determining the remaining time in the heat of the exam battle.
Secondly: The use of analogue clocks is taught at UK schools. What's missing is the practice that former generations of pupils had. No more wristwatches, public clocks all but gone, and (what I am nostalgically missing from my youth) no more peeking onto parked car's dashboards to read the analogue clock there. Times have changed, and this specific partially lost ability is not the schools' fault. (Not to say that other things aren't...)
Can we please bury that stupid old meme, as it has been based on some inaccurate buzz and largely giving a completely inaccurate impression of the topic from the start...
Kids don’t know cursive either. Nobody needs it anymore.
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I'm also horseless, but their analog clock is a wind-up, no batteries required. So if you're snowed in and can't get to the store, it's one less thing that will take up batteries.
I don't know why you would need a clock if you're trapped in your house. Maybe if you have to take pills at a specific time but usually you can be off by an hour or two which I can tell simply by looking outside and sensing time internally.
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Still can't understand how any kid cannot do it. Isn't that something you learn from your parents before you even go to school
I've had, and honestly still do have issue with reading it rather than understanding. At least the way I was taught, it just sounds really weird, like 15:40 being "5 minutes till quarter to 4 in the afternoon".
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One part of me wants to feel disappointed that kids aren't learning to read analog clocks, but another part of me thinks there was a time when people grew disappointed that the younger generations stopped learning to use an abacus in favor of digital calculators. I certainly don't want some old geezer giving me shit because I don't want to learn to use an abacus. I also don't want to be that old geezer.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Teacher here.
I'm pretty certain that the only place where my students ever encounter an analog clock is at school. But teaching how to read analog clocks is required in our math education standards, so I have one and I use it, even though I think there are other, more relevant places to put our academic focus.
I'm 45 years old. I'm pretty sure we only ever had one analog clock in our house when I was growing up in the '80s, and that was my grandpa's alarm clock. The only places I've been where only analog clocks were available have been schools. Even our local bank in my small town changed to a digital clock on its sign outside.
Unfortunately, education systems are dictated by legislators, who are often old and out-of-touch. So I doubt we'll see a change in the education requirements any time soon. But, just like how keyboarding has replaced cursive in classrooms, it will eventually come.
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I fail to see why problem an analogue clocks are a solution for.
Like cursive they are obsolete.
Maybe you can't see the gap in your education...?
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Analogue clocks are a great example of kids having to understand a concept and apply it. And it's simple enough that anyone can learn it.
I often see examples where children are required to memorize a set solution, instead of showing understanding and reaching the solutions themselves.
These clocks are somewhat dated, but removing them just feels like another symptom of a failing educational system.
Analog clocks are dated? Let's get rid of books because we have kindles. Just something was invented a very long time ago doesn't make it obsolete by any means. Or should we get rid of spoons or hammers? Those things are really somewhat dated.
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Teacher here.
I'm pretty certain that the only place where my students ever encounter an analog clock is at school. But teaching how to read analog clocks is required in our math education standards, so I have one and I use it, even though I think there are other, more relevant places to put our academic focus.
I'm 45 years old. I'm pretty sure we only ever had one analog clock in our house when I was growing up in the '80s, and that was my grandpa's alarm clock. The only places I've been where only analog clocks were available have been schools. Even our local bank in my small town changed to a digital clock on its sign outside.
Unfortunately, education systems are dictated by legislators, who are often old and out-of-touch. So I doubt we'll see a change in the education requirements any time soon. But, just like how keyboarding has replaced cursive in classrooms, it will eventually come.
I'm 32, I wear an analog clock on my arm every day
