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Why don't the whole planet just use UTC+00:00 / Universal Time without time zones?

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    Why isn't this a popular thing?

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      Because we like midnight to happen at night, and noon to happen during the day

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        Because we like midnight to happen at night, and noon to happen during the day

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        And you'd still have to adjust to local time anyway! Travel three timezones and now noon is at 9 instead of 12. Your alarm to wake up at 6, now needs to be at 3.

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          Because the vast majority of people aren't terminally online and/or affected by timezones.

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            And you'd still have to adjust to local time anyway! Travel three timezones and now noon is at 9 instead of 12. Your alarm to wake up at 6, now needs to be at 3.

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            Literally sounds a lot worse. Imagine telling your friend in Europe from the USA "ugh, I have to get up at 10 AM for work!" And the european responds with "10am is pretty late!"

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              The cultural relationship with time is more important than its absolute measurement.

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                Because timezones were a result of town specific clocks, which were a result of people liking certain hours happening generally in line with where the sun is, like "noon" which still technically refers to when the sun is at its highest point.

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                  Because we like midnight to happen at night, and noon to happen during the day

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                  This is exactly right. People don't wan to change, even if the new way is demonstrably superior. Look at the adoption of the Metric system in England and the (almost) adoption in the US.

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                    I'm now imagining that playing out.

                    "France, we're thinking about adopting British time as the global standard. Do you have any thoughts or input on the matter?"

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                      And you'd still have to adjust to local time anyway! Travel three timezones and now noon is at 9 instead of 12. Your alarm to wake up at 6, now needs to be at 3.

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                      Why would you want to get up every day at 6 am from three time zones over?

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                        This is exactly right. People don't wan to change, even if the new way is demonstrably superior. Look at the adoption of the Metric system in England and the (almost) adoption in the US.

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                        and the (almost) adoption in the US.

                        For example:

                        • 1 bushel is exactly 64 dry pints.

                        • 1 dry pint is exactly 107521/92400 liquid pints.

                        • 1 liquid pint is exactly 231/8 cubic inches.

                        • We formally defined the inch in terms of the metric system in the 1950s as being precisely 2.54 centimeters.

                        Thus making the bushel exactly 220244188543/6250000 cubic centimeters.¹

                        ¹ Unless you're talking about an oat bushel, a barley bushel, a wheat bushel, or a few other exceptions.

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                          Milliseconds since the epoch is the only true time

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                            Because timezones were a result of town specific clocks, which were a result of people liking certain hours happening generally in line with where the sun is, like "noon" which still technically refers to when the sun is at its highest point.

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                            Time zones were the result of railroads getting towns to abandon their town specific clocks because of railroads.

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                              This is exactly right. People don't wan to change, even if the new way is demonstrably superior. Look at the adoption of the Metric system in England and the (almost) adoption in the US.

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                              UTC isn't even demonstrably superior.

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                                Why isn't this a popular thing?

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                                TL:DR -> https://thelemmy.club/comment/19143233

                                Examples:

                                • The year doesn't start at the shortest day (Persian calendar is better in that regard).

                                • month length is not evenly distributed. Why is February shorter?

                                • time is almost never power of 10: there is 12, 60, 24

                                • time zones are used to follow alliances: see al the nations that went to CET after fall of URSS

                                • you can easily estimate your local time by looking at the sun

                                • Holidays tend to happen on the same approximate dates even when major cultural changes happen. See how Christianity took over a lot of things from Romans.

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                                  Because who the hell wants to say it's 11 in the morning while it's dark out?

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                                    and the (almost) adoption in the US.

                                    For example:

                                    • 1 bushel is exactly 64 dry pints.

                                    • 1 dry pint is exactly 107521/92400 liquid pints.

                                    • 1 liquid pint is exactly 231/8 cubic inches.

                                    • We formally defined the inch in terms of the metric system in the 1950s as being precisely 2.54 centimeters.

                                    Thus making the bushel exactly 220244188543/6250000 cubic centimeters.¹

                                    ¹ Unless you're talking about an oat bushel, a barley bushel, a wheat bushel, or a few other exceptions.

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                                    Well, that is neat. When using metric and celsius:

                                    • 1 kilometer is 1.000 meters.
                                    • 1 square meter of water weighs exactly 1 tonne. (1.000 kilo also known as a kilokilo)
                                    • The vastly superior metric dozen is exactly 10.
                                    • Water freezes at exactly 0 degrees.
                                    • 1 meter of water takes exactly 100 minutes - a metric hour - to completely evaporate when heated to 100 degrees. Doing so requires exactly 1 kilowatt of power.
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                                      Why isn't this a popular thing?

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                                      Same reason some people use miles instead of kilometers, or that most people use Windows even if they hate it.

                                      Inertia is a powerful force.

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                                        Swatch Internet Time tried doing something like that

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                                          Why would you want to get up every day at 6 am from three time zones over?

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                                          Sunrise at 06:00 UTC in one timezone would occur at 03:00 UTC three timezones over, I mean. The relationship between standard time and local, solar noon based time (sunrise, noon, sunset, midnight) is going to have a flexing relationship across different places on Earth. So if you're travelling or even communicating across timezones, you haven't fixed anything by using UTC since daily activities (sleep, meals, etc.) are still correlated to when the sun is up or not. Timezones communicates that daily relationship with time pretty effectively without having to do a lot of thought about it all the time.

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