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    wow that's evil

    venus_ziegenfalle@feddit.orgV This user is from outside of this forum
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    It's cleverly addressing a valid point. If your face is visible on the internet it can be used in an ai database without your consent. That's just where we're at.

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      Like private subreddits or private messages.

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      Reddit is about to make that somewhat more "public", I heard they are changing the pm and DMs to a chat system

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      • venus_ziegenfalle@feddit.orgV [email protected]

        It's cleverly addressing a valid point. If your face is visible on the internet it can be used in an ai database without your consent. That's just where we're at.

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        yeah fair enough but every use of the studio Ghibli image generator is one too many

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        • C [email protected]

          And what if there's no photograph of myself online?

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          Pics or it didn't happen.

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            Yes I have.

            With a model I fine tuned myself and ran locally on my own hardware.

            Suck it

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              Yes I have.

              With a model I fine tuned myself and ran locally on my own hardware.

              Suck it

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              Just curious, do you know even as a rough estimation (maybe via the model card) how much energy was used to train the initial model and if so how do you believe it was done so in an ecologically justifiable way?

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                Your "facial data" isn't private information. You give it away every time you go outside.

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                Your face being outside isn't your "facial data". It has to at least have that image, sure, in good enough quality, easy enough, linked to any piece of your identity, e.g. name or security number. If you just walk around and people take photo of your face, they don't have your "facial data". That's the entire reason why reverse image search and similar services exist. It is NOT an easy problem technically speaking.

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                  Just curious, do you know even as a rough estimation (maybe via the model card) how much energy was used to train the initial model and if so how do you believe it was done so in an ecologically justifiable way?

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                  Don’t know. Don’t really care honestly. I dont pay for hydro, and whatever energy expenditures were involved in training the model I fine tuned is more than offset by the fact that I don’t and never will drive.

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                    Pics or it didn't happen.

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                      Like private subreddits or private messages.

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                      If it's on a billionaire's computer, and they can read it, then yes. They'll sell it, no questions asked.

                      E2E encrypted data is probably OK, as long as that person didn't save it somewhere and upload it to a cloud backup.

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                      • U [email protected]

                        Just curious, do you know even as a rough estimation (maybe via the model card) how much energy was used to train the initial model and if so how do you believe it was done so in an ecologically justifiable way?

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                        Just curious. Do you know how many children had a hand in making your electronics?

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                          Don’t know. Don’t really care honestly. I dont pay for hydro, and whatever energy expenditures were involved in training the model I fine tuned is more than offset by the fact that I don’t and never will drive.

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                          Don’t know. Don’t really care honestly [...] offset by the fact that I don’t and never will drive.

                          That's some strange logic. Either you do know and you can estimate that the offset will indeed "balance it out" or you don't then you can't say one way or the other.

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                            Just curious, do you know even as a rough estimation (maybe via the model card) how much energy was used to train the initial model and if so how do you believe it was done so in an ecologically justifiable way?

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                            Feel free to explain the down votes.

                            If it wasn't clear the my point was that self hosting addresses mostly privacy for the user but that is only one dimension addressed. It does not necessarily address the ecological impact. I was honestly hoping this community to care more.

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                              Just curious. Do you know how many children had a hand in making your electronics?

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                              Straw-hat much or just learning about logistics and sourcing in our globalized supply chain?

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                                Straw-hat much or just learning about logistics and sourcing in our globalized supply chain?

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                                FWIW the person I asked did reply, they don't care : https://lemmy.world/post/30563785/17397024

                                Hope it helps.

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                                  Just curious. Do you know how many children had a hand in making your electronics?

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                                  Apologies for my sarcastic answer, I did actually search for that a little while ago so I do assume most people do know but that's incorrect. The most useful tool I know of would probably be https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/uyghurs-for-sale-re-education-forced-labour-and-surveillance-beyond-xinjiang/ It wasn't specific to children but it does show the process and I'd argue can be apply for the different criteria one would want to focus on. It dates back few years ago, when I learned about the problem so there also you might want to prefer a more up to date source.

                                  Let me know if you are looking for something more precise. I know of few other tools which do help better understand who builds what and how, for electronics but other products too.

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                                    Feel free to explain the down votes.

                                    If it wasn't clear the my point was that self hosting addresses mostly privacy for the user but that is only one dimension addressed. It does not necessarily address the ecological impact. I was honestly hoping this community to care more.

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                                    "I was honestly hoping this community to care more."

                                    So you want us to all go destroy paintings in art gallery and super glue our hands to the road with you?

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                                      "I was honestly hoping this community to care more."

                                      So you want us to all go destroy paintings in art gallery and super glue our hands to the road with you?

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                                      You looking for an excuse? No one else brought it up but if you need permission, go ahead. Thumbs up from me.

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                                        "I was honestly hoping this community to care more."

                                        So you want us to all go destroy paintings in art gallery and super glue our hands to the road with you?

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                                        Please, do whatever you want to protect the environment you cherish. My point though was literally asking somebody who did point a better way to do it if they were aware of all the costs of their solution. If you missed it, their answer was clear : they do not know and they do not care. I was not suggesting activism, solely genuinely wondering if they actually understood the impact of the alternative they showcased. Honestly, just do whatever you can.

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                                          "I was honestly hoping this community to care more."

                                          So you want us to all go destroy paintings in art gallery and super glue our hands to the road with you?

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                                          You know what, again maybe I'm misreading you.

                                          If you do want to help, do try with me to answer the question. I did give a path to the person initially mentioning the Model Card. Maybe you are aware of that but just in cased a Model Card is basic meta-data about a model, cf https://huggingface.co/docs/hub/model-cards

                                          Some of them do mention CO2 equivalent, see https://huggingface.co/docs/hub/model-cards-co2 so here I don't know which model they used but maybe finding a way have CO2 equivalent for the most popular models, e.g DeepSeek, and some equivalent (they mentioned not driving a car) would help us all grasping at least some of the impact.

                                          What do you think?

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