Pornhub Is Pulling Out of France
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I was an active user of pornhub when I was 14 years old
I was a teenager before the modern internet, so at 14 I got my porn from BBSes and friends sharing floppy disks. There was plenty of awful/illegal shit on BBSes. But they weren't regulated, so no one did anything about it.
You cannot ban teenagers from accessing porn. Full stop.
You can ban teenagers from using safe sites that follow the rules. That will force teenagers off responsible sites like PornHub and move them to shady sites that don't follow rules and have shit like child pornography.
This and to add to this:
They know this already. This is not a new subject, this has been going on for decades and every time it ends the same and it keeps coming back because they only need to win once. Once porn becomes illegal, good luck making it back legal again
And that depends on what asshole you're dealing with, the religious virtua signalling asshole or the "must monitor and control all citizens always" type asshole.
The latter does the same shit, just for slightly different reasons. assholes sometimes have similar goals and all.
Either way, it's NEVER about actually protecting the children because fuck children, no politician has ever actually cared for a child (far and few exceptions excluded)
Basically, if a politician talks about protecting children, they're lying, period.
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I didn't downvote but the reason is probably because you're blaming porn for your issues like it was only an issue because of your age.
If you became an addict because of porn at 14, not seeing porn until you're 18 wouldn't have changed anything, except delay that problem for 4 years. That's it. People don't just become addicts if they're only a certain age range, the problem is much deeper than that.
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It's kinda weird seeing this from Germany: Around here porn websites always required a proper age check ("are you 18" banners don't suffice), which in effect means that the few porn sites that are hosted in Germany are paid (if you're paying, an age check is trivial). That doesn't mean that the rest is inaccessible, but it certainly doesn''t have a .de TLD. It's just how laws written for the offline age translated to online.
What's stopping pornhub from having a similar strategy in France? Continue to accept French IPs for the international version, paywall the French version.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Doesn't seem like a real requirement if Pornhub and similar sites can get away with their "only click if you're 18"-banners just the same. Making a distinction between sites hosted inside Germany and outside Germany doesn't seem like smart lawmaking to me.
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“Adults are free to consume porn, but not at the expense of protecting our children,” Chappaz said in a tweet Tuesday, according to an English language translation. “Asking pornographic sites to verify the age of their users is not about stigmatizing adults, but about protecting our children.”
These fuckers always throw around the term "protecting our children" when they want to do something shitty. Companies like Pornhub actually have strick controls to actually protect children with their anti-CP policies. By forcing them to adopt these bullshit government controls, it only moves users to less legitimate sites without anti-CP policies.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Companies like Pornhub actually have strick controls to actually protect children with their anti-CP policies.
To be fair, that's a more recent thing. It had some terrible content in the past. Then around 2020 that got some publicity so Visa, Mastercard and Discover all threatened blacklist them if they didn't start moderating properly.
Although your point still stands, the whole "Wont somebody think of the children!?!11" lamentation is a dead giveaway. And I'm sad that more people don't realize.
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I didn't downvote but the reason is probably because you're blaming porn for your issues like it was only an issue because of your age.
If you became an addict because of porn at 14, not seeing porn until you're 18 wouldn't have changed anything, except delay that problem for 4 years. That's it. People don't just become addicts if they're only a certain age range, the problem is much deeper than that.
Debatable. I had no phone or TV as a child and now I am addicted years later. But my developing brain grew up not needing these stimuli.
This is pretty important, so a delay might be very helpful
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This and to add to this:
They know this already. This is not a new subject, this has been going on for decades and every time it ends the same and it keeps coming back because they only need to win once. Once porn becomes illegal, good luck making it back legal again
And that depends on what asshole you're dealing with, the religious virtua signalling asshole or the "must monitor and control all citizens always" type asshole.
The latter does the same shit, just for slightly different reasons. assholes sometimes have similar goals and all.
Either way, it's NEVER about actually protecting the children because fuck children, no politician has ever actually cared for a child (far and few exceptions excluded)
Basically, if a politician talks about protecting children, they're lying, period.
True. Damn.
Also agreed, it is insanely hard to legalize stuff after it was made illegal for stupid emptionalized reasons. Various drugs, gay marriage, equal rights, abolition of borders etc.
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These authoritarian laws are such a boon for VPN companies.
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Handjobs show good work ethic
Same with blowjobs and rimjobs. Anything with "job" in it, really.
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You are, but not as instant gratification, but as the result of work of some kind.
So you can't play board games? That's not work of some kind.
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What's stopping pornhub from having a similar strategy in France? Continue to accept French IPs for the international version, paywall the French version.
Pornhub is ideologically against having to collect and verify data on their users for the government. They block traffic in all areas that pass these kinds of laws as a protest.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Rare corporate W.
Edit: I take that back. Apparently, they want device level verification
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Doesn't seem like a real requirement if Pornhub and similar sites can get away with their "only click if you're 18"-banners just the same. Making a distinction between sites hosted inside Germany and outside Germany doesn't seem like smart lawmaking to me.
It's also "sites directed at a German audience", but using that as a justification for DNS bans is rare. I guess practically more relevant is that German google isn't serving up those international sites.
German law doesn't require 100% security when it comes to youth protection stuff, not only would that be impossible but it's also not the intent, because once kids are old enough to actively seek something out, they're by and large old enough to consume it. What youth protection really cares about is not having kids just stumble over things they have no reference frame for.
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So you can't play board games? That's not work of some kind.
You are purposely missing the point. Just research instant gratification.
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Debatable. I had no phone or TV as a child and now I am addicted years later. But my developing brain grew up not needing these stimuli.
This is pretty important, so a delay might be very helpful
didn't you just provide anecdotal evidence for their point rather than against?
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His vita is partly problematic, but he clearly states that this claim goes against the research currently available. One of the reasons is that it would be hard to justify necessary studies morally. Another one is that porn is a giant industry with many "independant" contractors who want to justify themselves. Also, the hyper availability of porn as we know it today over the internet is a pretty young phenomenon. As a comparison, there was a time not too long ago when smoking was advised by doctors.
Anyways, it's always funny to see the cognitive dissonance of people when it comes to negative effects of instant gratification like with drugs, social media, overeating or any other thing that can seriously fuck with your mind when done wrong or too early in life, but porn always somehow gets trivialized out of that exact discussion. Maybe it's because it affects us all, just like covid, and that did not foster a healthy culture of discussion as well iirc. It also kind of reminds me of stoners trying to tell you that weed is not addictive.
There are enough issues in our modern society where this could, not alone by itself, and as we both stated just as a scientifically unproven claim for now, be part of the explanation. I'd say let's wait until AI gets shoved into this equation as well for long enough to see what it does to the people lol.
I find it a bit curious. You're choosing to believe one guy who scrolled Reddit a bit too long and whose Tedx talk to a large actually consists of reading aloud r/nofap comments over actual scientists who research this stuff with some rigor.
That's not to say porn doesn't have negative effects. But confidently basing theories on anecdotal evidence is not getting us much closer to truth, is it?
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didn't you just provide anecdotal evidence for their point rather than against?
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Yes they did, but also contextualized that even if the addiction occurs later, the delay has value.
Addiction is not binary.
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Yes they did, but also contextualized that even if the addiction occurs later, the delay has value.
Addiction is not binary.
oh now i get what they were saying.
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If they wanted parental controls they'd use the ones already available and ask their ISPs to provide additional and more accessible ones per SIM card, per contract (though manually setting up limitations on each device works better and should suffice). Mandatory age and ID verification for websites is an authoritarian policy through and through, and goes far past anything that would protect children in any way (in fact, it would harm them).
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I was an active user of pornhub when I was 14 years old
I was a teenager before the modern internet, so at 14 I got my porn from BBSes and friends sharing floppy disks. There was plenty of awful/illegal shit on BBSes. But they weren't regulated, so no one did anything about it.
You cannot ban teenagers from accessing porn. Full stop.
You can ban teenagers from using safe sites that follow the rules. That will force teenagers off responsible sites like PornHub and move them to shady sites that don't follow rules and have shit like child pornography.
That will force teenagers off responsible sites like PornHub and move them to shady sites that don't follow rules and have shit like child pornography.
Or to places like 4chan and Xitter, sites that host actual nazi shit in addition to porn. I was ideologically groomed by the far-right, and nazi propaganda is worse than porn IMHO to developing minds. I barely managed to escape.
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Just educate kids on sex. The sites from Pornhub are way better than the virus filled alternatives with way worse kinds of porn.
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If porn does any damage to the psyche, surely it's less than videos you can find showing torture and murder, right? At least in porn, people are shown having a good time. I'll also note that no porn is burned into my brain, but there are sure some other videos that are.
There is a certain video about some people and a cup burned into memory, but that video wouldn't be found on the sites owned by Pornhub, but more the shitty alternative sites who will never comply with rules and regulations.
