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    If God exists he/she/it doesn't in anyway you've been taught, regardless of belief or religion.

    Most people can't accurately describe how an old school lightbulb works, yet somehow ancient mankind understood the mind of God.

    Horse shit.

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      Pick your cutoff age but it should be illegal to groom children into an organized religion. Frankly, since human brains are still developing until age 24-25 that would be my choice but 21 would be acceptable. "Let go and let god" is literally advocating for a trained lack of critical thinking skills.

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        This “hydration” crap.

        Up until the late 1970’s for approx 300,000 years of humans being around hydrated themselves just fine.

        Long as there was water available one would drink when their body signaled them by getting thirsty (don’t care about exceptions to the rule where someone has a medical issue or if water was limited in high school, your a big person now). All of a sudden humans forgot to drink fluids?

        Bullshit.

        It’s just yet another scam the drink makers have perpetrated to get people to buy the various liquid products they sell.

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        I'm sorry, what?

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          Pick your cutoff age but it should be illegal to groom children into an organized religion. Frankly, since human brains are still developing until age 24-25 that would be my choice but 21 would be acceptable. "Let go and let god" is literally advocating for a trained lack of critical thinking skills.

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          Grooming is so gross, but it's not like Christians are out there targeting children, right? That would be insane wouldn't it, everyone?

          https://www.cefonline.com/articles/teach-kids-articles/the-4-14-window/

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          • bebopalouie@lemmy.caB [email protected]

            This “hydration” crap.

            Up until the late 1970’s for approx 300,000 years of humans being around hydrated themselves just fine.

            Long as there was water available one would drink when their body signaled them by getting thirsty (don’t care about exceptions to the rule where someone has a medical issue or if water was limited in high school, your a big person now). All of a sudden humans forgot to drink fluids?

            Bullshit.

            It’s just yet another scam the drink makers have perpetrated to get people to buy the various liquid products they sell.

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            Same, but skin hydration / moisturizing. That's 300,000 years of human history without Aveeno. The skincare industry is a scam to sell product, and our skin works fine if you mostly leave it alone.

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              You can't because you've no free will. Regardless of the law, the speed you'll drive is the speed you'll drive, no?

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              The speed you'll drive is the product of innumerable in-born and external influences (which include past experience). Laws would be useless if people had free will, actually. They work because of a deterrent effect; getting pulled over paying fines, and maybe going to jail feels bad. It's the threat of feeling bad that makes laws an effective incentive, and we can't change that emotional response.

              If humans had free will, though, we could decide how we emotionally react to anything. We could decide to flip a switch in our minds so that jail is emotionally fulfilling and preferable to freedom. Then there'd be no way to punish anybody, and thus we could have no laws.

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                The speed you'll drive is the product of innumerable in-born and external influences (which include past experience). Laws would be useless if people had free will, actually. They work because of a deterrent effect; getting pulled over paying fines, and maybe going to jail feels bad. It's the threat of feeling bad that makes laws an effective incentive, and we can't change that emotional response.

                If humans had free will, though, we could decide how we emotionally react to anything. We could decide to flip a switch in our minds so that jail is emotionally fulfilling and preferable to freedom. Then there'd be no way to punish anybody, and thus we could have no laws.

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                If humans had free will, though, we could decide how we emotionally react to anything. We could decide to flip a switch in our minds

                Exactly! ❤️ That's the trap that sadly keeps a person locked in his mind. The slave's curse. And I'm sorry it's happening to you. I've been there before, as well.

                Know that you are more than the sum of your environment and history, good or bad. You can decide to do something, just because you like doing it. You might not even remember what you like doing. It can take a while to find out, but you'll find it. And from there it will grow.

                You're not trapped, just hurt. 🌸

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                  Same, but skin hydration / moisturizing. That's 300,000 years of human history without Aveeno. The skincare industry is a scam to sell product, and our skin works fine if you mostly leave it alone.

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                  Your correct most beauty and skin care products are a scam. One of my favs is drown your hair in goop which is dead by the time it leaves the folicle.

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                    I'm sorry, what?

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                    Can you expound please. Your input not clear.

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                      You can't because you've no free will. Regardless of the law, the speed you'll drive is the speed you'll drive, no?

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                      You're thinking of a fatalistic universe, where the future is predetermined, rather than a deterministic one, where every action follows from a prior cause. It’s not that you choose to follow the speed limit out of free will - you simply don’t want to get into trouble, so you’re compelled to obey it. But even that want isn’t something you chose.

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                        People have been living longer and longer. If you want the same life span as our ancestors, then follow their diet.

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                        One would think that all the medical breakthroughs would be what lengthens life. But that’s just me.
                        Water is all dependent on whether it’s there or not. If it is, we will drink.

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                          You're thinking of a fatalistic universe, where the future is predetermined, rather than a deterministic one, where every action follows from a prior cause. It’s not that you choose to follow the speed limit out of free will - you simply don’t want to get into trouble, so you’re compelled to obey it. But even that want isn’t something you chose.

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                          you simply don’t want to get into trouble

                          Why's that?

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                            If humans had free will, though, we could decide how we emotionally react to anything. We could decide to flip a switch in our minds

                            Exactly! ❤️ That's the trap that sadly keeps a person locked in his mind. The slave's curse. And I'm sorry it's happening to you. I've been there before, as well.

                            Know that you are more than the sum of your environment and history, good or bad. You can decide to do something, just because you like doing it. You might not even remember what you like doing. It can take a while to find out, but you'll find it. And from there it will grow.

                            You're not trapped, just hurt. 🌸

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                            Can you decide that you'll enjoy cutting off one of your fingers? If so, it seems silly not to, since you'll enjoy it!

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                              you simply don’t want to get into trouble

                              Why's that?

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                              The same reason you don't want to keep your hand on a hot stove. It's uncomfortable.

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                                The same reason you don't want to keep your hand on a hot stove. It's uncomfortable.

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                                Exactly, we tend to fear uncomfortable things, no?

                                We're scared thus avoid, and avoid, and avoid, untill we feel trapped.

                                Each day starts to feel the same. Each holliday too, even. Nowhere to escape to. Mind racing.

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                                  Can you decide that you'll enjoy cutting off one of your fingers? If so, it seems silly not to, since you'll enjoy it!

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                                  Sadly you can, and it happens. What also happens is harming others because of one's own pain 😞 . I know as both victim and perpetrator.

                                  Luckily you can try other things first! 🎵

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                                    Sadly you can, and it happens. What also happens is harming others because of one's own pain 😞 . I know as both victim and perpetrator.

                                    Luckily you can try other things first! 🎵

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                                    No, I mean you, right now, with your free will.

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                                      No, I mean you, right now, with your free will.

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                                      Luckily I have free will. I don't need to do what you tell me to do! I get to decide myself.

                                      And so do you: you can decide what you want to do ❤️

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                                        You're thinking of a fatalistic universe, where the future is predetermined, rather than a deterministic one, where every action follows from a prior cause. It’s not that you choose to follow the speed limit out of free will - you simply don’t want to get into trouble, so you’re compelled to obey it. But even that want isn’t something you chose.

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                                        I figured out recently from Lemmy discussions that people have different concepts of what free will means. Humorously, one of them operates within a deterministic mindset, while the other points out the determinism.

                                        Best analogy that I can think of at the moment is the difference between a drill press and a 4-axis CNC mill. The drill press has one degree of freedom, down and up. It's locked in. The mill has 4 degrees of freedom, and it can run code that makes its behavior highly complex. For some people, that's good enough: The mill has free will while the drill press does not.

                                        The view of free will that recognizes determinism says that humans have innumerable degrees of freedom, so our behavior looks complex, but our conscious choice is just the various competing influences shaking out.

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                                          Luckily I have free will. I don't need to do what you tell me to do! I get to decide myself.

                                          And so do you: you can decide what you want to do ❤️

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                                          I'm not telling you to do anything, it's all hypothetical: Could you decide that punching yourself in the face—hard—is enjoyable? It seems like if you could decide that right here and now, that'd be a real easy way to make life (as good as it may be) even better.

                                          Cards on the table, I'm pretty sure we all know the answer. No, we cannot decide to improve our lives by cutting off digits or socking ourselves in the nose, because those things are damaging, and we cant simply decide to make them feel good. I feel very confident that I can't convince you to to it. (Thank goodness!)

                                          The things that we can change our emotional reaction to are things that we were conditioned by an external stimulus (tradition or trauma or whatever) to have a certain reaction to. The decision to change is always driven by discomfort with that emotional reaction, another stimulus. Nobody is going to decide that they need to stop enjoying social affirmation, for instance, unless there's some powerful, outside factor driving that decision.

                                          In short, if we all react to the same stimulus in predictable ways, where's the free will?

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