What do you think is the biggest issue with Lemmy?
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Misrepresenting what someone says is a textbook example of bad faith so doing that in a discussion about bad faith is ironic to say the least. What he actually thinks is unrelated to this discussion as it's about what he said. You'd call people out for twisting your words so hold yourself to the same standards.
wrote last edited by [email protected]You are appearing more and more bad faith, or just plain grossly ignorant, and willfully so... If you won't accept the truth, the truth that is being handed to you, with references, by other people, then prepare to not be part of this "echo chamber" for much longer...
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But downvoting doesn’t mean that.
It doesn't?
At all.
Really? At all?
Not even sure how you got that idea.
Hmm. You mean you don't have perfect insight into other people's minds? Admittedly that's odd.
So yeah, you’re not making any sense here.
And you're coming across as the kind of sanctimonious interlocutor that I can't be bothered to answer properly.
wrote last edited by [email protected]You're definitely projecting your own opinion of the matter here. You're not debating anything by simply repeatedly denying their view and restating your opinion.
Now please, if you want to actually discuss it, respond to their points about how many sorting schemes do not factor in votes. Respond to anything except the parts you simply want to deny.
You're clearly getting engagement despite being downvoted, so this very discussion is proving your opinion ignorant and rather dogmatic.
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You are appearing more and more bad faith, or just plain grossly ignorant, and willfully so... If you won't accept the truth, the truth that is being handed to you, with references, by other people, then prepare to not be part of this "echo chamber" for much longer...
I don’t consider anything I’ve heard so far to be the kind of evidence that would indicate what I said is somehow false.
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Again, this discussion isn't about him. You said both sides have plenty of bad faith, which is wrong. In light of this discussion I'm beginning to see why you can't understand the differences, or just refuse to.
wrote last edited by [email protected]this discussion isn’t about him
It's you who brought him up with your smug "fine people on both sides" misquote and its him you've been talking ever since. Only now you're moving the goal posts back to what I originally was talking about.
You said both sides have plenty of bad faith, which is wrong.
What are you even claiming here? That there is no "plenty of" bad faith on the left too?
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I am currently working on a report on vote manipulation and the early results are showing clear signs of the some most prolific .ml accounts participating in brigading and vote manipulation.
I can't count the number of times I made a comment way deep in a chain that conflicts with .ml dogma, and after the first downvote, there are suddenly 5 more within minutes
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It's complicated. I've been here about a year and I'm still not sure how to use it properly.
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I see good discussions on
Not really into music myself, I guess the issue might be that it's too generic? Even on Reddit I don't think /r/music was that busy, too many different genres
[email protected] only has 11 posts in the last 24 hrs and [email protected] only has 7...
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[email protected] only has 11 posts in the last 24 hrs and [email protected] only has 7...
Not sure why you referenced the LW version when I mentioned the piefed.social ones, but
- 50 comments in this post: https://lemmy.world/post/31721709
- 12 in this one: https://lemmy.world/post/31849186?
- 28 here: https://lemmy.world/post/31826379
- 12 here: https://lemmy.world/post/31718582
Number of posts themselves isn't really that relevant, comments are usually a more interesting metric.
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Not just Lemmy, but all Fediverse frontends: it's confusing and cumbersome. I've been here for 2 years and I still find that it's very much lacking in the "user experience" department. I have add-ons and scripts to 'patch' things that ought not to need patching. I don't know if it's possible for this to happen given the nature of Fedi, but it should be the case that a new user would find it works more or less the same as non-Fedi software and not have to juggle instances and type hideous and long URLs into the search bar. Instance names and stuff like that should be available to people who want to see them, but by default there's little reason to frighten new users with it. Make it be under-the-hood type stuff. One follow button that works for your home instance regardless of where you are on the Fediverse would be a nice start.
Also, privacy needs to be handled better. Again, not sure if that's possible because of the nature of Fedi, but Lemmy should make users feel more secure than reddit or Twitter, not less. Like, it's bizarre that reddit protects my privacy more than Lemmy does, given that reddit doesn't really protect my privacy much at all.
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Huh, just checked out the ranking on join-lemmy.org. The default setting is "random", which might be why it's not featured up top.
But what's weird is that lemmy.world isn't in the ranking at all.
If you sort by active, the top two are lemmynsfw.com, followed by lemmy.ml.
well tbf they are the two most active servers there though. not sure why .world isnt on there though. maybe removed temporarily so that newbies filter out to smaller instances
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Lemmy was architected by people whose philosophical intentions are out of alignment with the software they cloned.
That system was designed to invite as many idiots as possible, to bait as much engagement as possible, with virtually no controls on quality or intelligence.
Well congratulations Lemmy, you've made the next Reddit. There's no reason to be here, it's just a pile of morons for the most part.
one of us... one of us... one of us
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Not just Lemmy, but all Fediverse frontends: it's confusing and cumbersome. I've been here for 2 years and I still find that it's very much lacking in the "user experience" department. I have add-ons and scripts to 'patch' things that ought not to need patching. I don't know if it's possible for this to happen given the nature of Fedi, but it should be the case that a new user would find it works more or less the same as non-Fedi software and not have to juggle instances and type hideous and long URLs into the search bar. Instance names and stuff like that should be available to people who want to see them, but by default there's little reason to frighten new users with it. Make it be under-the-hood type stuff. One follow button that works for your home instance regardless of where you are on the Fediverse would be a nice start.
Also, privacy needs to be handled better. Again, not sure if that's possible because of the nature of Fedi, but Lemmy should make users feel more secure than reddit or Twitter, not less. Like, it's bizarre that reddit protects my privacy more than Lemmy does, given that reddit doesn't really protect my privacy much at all.
Instance names and stuff like that should be available to people who want to see them, but by default there’s little reason to frighten new users with it.
https://piefed.social/ hides the instance name of communities in the feed
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Not just Lemmy, but all Fediverse frontends: it's confusing and cumbersome. I've been here for 2 years and I still find that it's very much lacking in the "user experience" department. I have add-ons and scripts to 'patch' things that ought not to need patching. I don't know if it's possible for this to happen given the nature of Fedi, but it should be the case that a new user would find it works more or less the same as non-Fedi software and not have to juggle instances and type hideous and long URLs into the search bar. Instance names and stuff like that should be available to people who want to see them, but by default there's little reason to frighten new users with it. Make it be under-the-hood type stuff. One follow button that works for your home instance regardless of where you are on the Fediverse would be a nice start.
Also, privacy needs to be handled better. Again, not sure if that's possible because of the nature of Fedi, but Lemmy should make users feel more secure than reddit or Twitter, not less. Like, it's bizarre that reddit protects my privacy more than Lemmy does, given that reddit doesn't really protect my privacy much at all.
Arguably, lemmy is going to be more private than reddit because your data are being queried, refined, quantified and categorised by reddit to be sold off to the highest bidder. If a different actor is just scraping activitypub they need to do all of that themselves.
More generally, I'm not sure if we should ever think about something posted online as being private. You can post form data that is secured to your bank or whatever but they are analysing all of that data on their side. Similarly the large email providers are aware of the contents of all your emails.
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well tbf they are the two most active servers there though. not sure why .world isnt on there though. maybe removed temporarily so that newbies filter out to smaller instances
IIRC it is intentional that world isn't there to help spread out users to other instances.
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Exactly. I have a 1.5 hour daily time limit on Voyager, my Lemmy client, and I hit it every day, no problem. I do miss some of the niche subs but, every time I go back to ask a quick question, so many people are just so goddamned mean that I'm still very happy I left.
Oh yeah the community is 1000% better and healthier, I don't miss Reddit at all. Plus I'm a child of the 70s, I grew up with limited content. It's good for you.
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As everyone has pointed out, people and content. Its good in some ways since not every post is drowned out with one thousand replies nobody will ever see, but at the same time, you're not getting much of anything at all sometimes. Not even very niche ones either. Even groups that represent entire states has limited info or replies still. If it can grow to that size and see some more unique and local content more I think even that would be a much better place for it to be.
Yeah this is my issue with it. I can find all the arts, Linux, and political stuff just fine. Sports, music, and places communities are seriously lacking. They exist, but are a shell of what you'd hope they'd be. Engagement is so low, it's not worth bothering. The sports and music communities being so small and sparse is a real bummer.
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I may not understand how all this works but the very first page is mostly stuff that is 24 hours old or older. Maybe I am sorting it wrong or something but looking for the latest news is not easy. There should be a way from things that are older than 24 hours to fall off the front page. Also something like reddit enhancement suite would be nice.
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As everyone has pointed out, people and content. Its good in some ways since not every post is drowned out with one thousand replies nobody will ever see, but at the same time, you're not getting much of anything at all sometimes. Not even very niche ones either. Even groups that represent entire states has limited info or replies still. If it can grow to that size and see some more unique and local content more I think even that would be a much better place for it to be.
Yeah the North Carolina community has 383 subscribers and the last post was 9 days ago.
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I'm the main poster on [email protected]. Most popular post on the planet.
I guess people on Lemmy just don't like sports.
I'll subscribe, since it's about the real kind of football (the one that's played with your feet, and a ball. Not an egg, and your hands)
I've been trying to get into sports. Always enjoyed parricipating sports, never tried watching.
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This is exactly why I don't use Reddit on the side. When I run out of content on Lemmy, there's no choice but to do something productive instead. Had to go 100% cold turkey on Reddit to make that work though.
Summer was not meant for being productive.
