The internet kind of sucks right now
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At least A.I might preserve some knowledge.
Big oof when you realize that literally nothing an AI tells you can be trusted, and you still have to find a proper source for it.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Yeah bigger oof when you realise that nothing damn near anyone who tells anyone anything can be trusted.
Do you know how many times I've been handed the wrong part by "professionals" whose full time job is "parts interpreter" and their job description is to look up and order parts for customers? Or had a mechanic be "certain" about the cause of the same problem for the 3rd fucking time. The fact is that when I want to know which is the correct ecu pin for the crank angle sensor on an 83 Cordia Turbo thats some esoteric as fuck knowledge thats probably buried on a forum somewhere. If ChatGPT thinks it knows, I dont just wire shit up and send it. I get out the multimeter and I check that wire first.
Dont get me wrong, if googles search wasnt rubbish these days A.I wouldnt be as useful as it is. I had to find out who made the rear diff for a car to see if we could pull the gears out from a different make/model to get better ratios for the strip. An hour of googling just turned up every result for people selling diffs, selling diff seals, selling diffs for other cars, workshops that specialise in diffs, diff seals for other cars... Chat GPT just fucking knew it was an Aisin unit and what its part number was and then I asked "What cars is "part number" used in and it spat out a list. Its only good because google is shit. If google was still great, it would merely be a novelty.
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So same as internet forums?
IKR. People these days dont realise that confidently incorrect people pre-exist facebook.
If you blindly do what ChatGPT says you deserve what happens to you.
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Was that one of the girls from that show "The Facts of Life"?
Not that I'm aware.
She comments on quora and is, generally speaking, unnecessarily rude and mean, unhelpful, and inadvertantly hilarious in this cross and overconfident way. All this while primarily commenting on stuff about farm animals, making this interestingly uncommon contrast of humble origins and unreasonable bitchiness...idk how to explain the phenomenon that is Nel better than that. She is just a wild and interesting enough internet being that I can't help but wonder if someone might be having a laugh with her account
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So same as internet forums?
Sure but (and this goes to the other person who replied with much the same thing) there’s an order of magnitude of difference going on there, plus usually when someone says something wrong on a forum others usually show up to correct them.
AI responses have so far been very clearly a step down in reliability, so don’t be treating it as a binary.
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Porque no los dos?
Discord is targeting an IPO by end of year. I doubt the AI bubble bursts by then.
Anyone wanna bet against their valuation being based on AI training data value?
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If I'm going to share my information and knowledge publicly on an Internet site, I'd like everyone to have fair and open access to it, not at the whims of a multinational corp to gatekeep for me. So the fact that AI can access it too doesn't discourage me.
You have information from me because I choose to share it, not because a site has demanded I give it up without a clear benefit to me in return.
My problem with it is that in Ye Olde Times before 2022, if you needed some info on, I dunno, amethist cutting blades, you joined the crystal geode cutting forum and maybe became a contributing member of the group.
Now, you ask chatGPT, and contribute nothing.
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So same as internet forums?
No.
Or at least, not always. I'm in plenty of online groups with people who have shown their trustworthiness and expertise. They are people with a reputation.
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IKR. People these days dont realise that confidently incorrect people pre-exist facebook.
If you blindly do what ChatGPT says you deserve what happens to you.
People these days dont realise that confidently incorrect people pre-exist facebook.
It's different though.
If you were a flat earther in 1982, you probably would have a weird self published "newspaper" by someone 4 times a year, and two or three books and no platform beyond literally shouting on the street at people who all considered you a moron.
Nowadays, if you're a crackpot, you can instantly find 17.000 other crackpots who will happily not just confirm your idiocy, but make up fake stories to support your bullshit ideas. They will also drag you along by pure crank magnetism into other bullshit. You can spread your bullshit far and wide, and since people are automatically served with similar content, you're even likely to find other idiots like you "in the wild", which is actually an algorithmic bubble.
Before, nobody you met in real life would agree with you. Nowadays, everyone you "meet" online agrees with you.
So yes, confidently incorrect people have always been there, but not in these numbers, and rarely to this level of confidence. That's why people react to vehemently, they rarely ever reach outside their bubble. Your ideas that the world is round aren't the general concept to them, they hear from flat earthers every single hour of the day.
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Yeah bigger oof when you realise that nothing damn near anyone who tells anyone anything can be trusted.
Do you know how many times I've been handed the wrong part by "professionals" whose full time job is "parts interpreter" and their job description is to look up and order parts for customers? Or had a mechanic be "certain" about the cause of the same problem for the 3rd fucking time. The fact is that when I want to know which is the correct ecu pin for the crank angle sensor on an 83 Cordia Turbo thats some esoteric as fuck knowledge thats probably buried on a forum somewhere. If ChatGPT thinks it knows, I dont just wire shit up and send it. I get out the multimeter and I check that wire first.
Dont get me wrong, if googles search wasnt rubbish these days A.I wouldnt be as useful as it is. I had to find out who made the rear diff for a car to see if we could pull the gears out from a different make/model to get better ratios for the strip. An hour of googling just turned up every result for people selling diffs, selling diff seals, selling diffs for other cars, workshops that specialise in diffs, diff seals for other cars... Chat GPT just fucking knew it was an Aisin unit and what its part number was and then I asked "What cars is "part number" used in and it spat out a list. Its only good because google is shit. If google was still great, it would merely be a novelty.
Google was murdered when the CEO of advertising was made the CEO of search.
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Not that I'm aware.
She comments on quora and is, generally speaking, unnecessarily rude and mean, unhelpful, and inadvertantly hilarious in this cross and overconfident way. All this while primarily commenting on stuff about farm animals, making this interestingly uncommon contrast of humble origins and unreasonable bitchiness...idk how to explain the phenomenon that is Nel better than that. She is just a wild and interesting enough internet being that I can't help but wonder if someone might be having a laugh with her account
No, it's a joke. Natalie was the whiny one in Facts of Life. As is having 37 Quora accounts. Quora is weird to me and I've never had an account. But I've also never had a search lead to an answer for anything on Quora that was actually correct.
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IDGAF about LLM bots scraping public forums, they are public and available to anyone. I do mind them scraping shadow libraries, and training on copywritten material, which they should not do
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Oh my dude, that second ship sailed decades ago.
Time was there was really just one place (maybe two) where you could find an answer to a question. (Usenet mostly.)
Now there's easily two dozen at least, from SO/SE, Quora, Yahoo Answers, all the way to Reddit subs....
The balkanization of information. It screwed the knowledge of the public, but it made a few people super rich. Whee
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IDGAF about LLM bots scraping public forums, they are public and available to anyone. I do mind them scraping shadow libraries, and training on copywritten material, which they should not do
LLM bots are scraping so much that increases costs of maintaing forums and sometimes even ddosin them for example Codeberg.
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You forgot about influencers who will read your knowledge and present as theirs in their videos.
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Even if Discord wasn't doing it, public Discord guilds are known to be scraped by a number of different bots. Previously, it was for spies, cops, and private investigators who wanted to search for messages by username. If those bots could do it before, AI bots will be doing it aggressively today.
AFAIK discord explicitly works with police, i mean they have a predator problem after all
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Sure but (and this goes to the other person who replied with much the same thing) there’s an order of magnitude of difference going on there, plus usually when someone says something wrong on a forum others usually show up to correct them.
AI responses have so far been very clearly a step down in reliability, so don’t be treating it as a binary.
Depends on the forum, plenty of echo chambers out there...
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Oh my dude, that second ship sailed decades ago.
Time was there was really just one place (maybe two) where you could find an answer to a question. (Usenet mostly.)
Now there's easily two dozen at least, from SO/SE, Quora, Yahoo Answers, all the way to Reddit subs....
The balkanization of information. It screwed the knowledge of the public, but it made a few people super rich. Whee
Yeah but those places were still publicly indexed, discord is private
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As someone who is enthusiastic about old cars the amount of knowledge that disappeared when forums got killed by fb is immeasurable. At least A.I might preserve some knowledge.
When people die they take their knowledge with them if nobody writes it down and maintains it.
i remember the databases we made of tablature on the guitar forums. i already had the songs we were playing, but... dammit i can't even remember the name of the forum anymore it's been like 30 years.
