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What are the odds that we are all in a simulation?

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    There is no sensible definition of probability that makes that question answerable.

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    • whaleross@lemmy.worldW [email protected]

      Counter question; would it make any difference?

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        Ignorance is bliss!

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          Probably about the same as for whether a god exists.

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            Greater than zero.

            You wanna tweak your melon a bit? Look up "Last Thursdayism." It's a thing — due to the way short term and long term memory work, the theory goes that anything before "last Thursday" is a lie. It's an arbitrary day of the week. The movie Dark City played off of this, when the — I forget what they were called — did their tuning and rearranged things and swapped peoples' memories around.

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              The scary thing is you just need to simulate a single brain (yours or mine). Everything else is just loaded on the fly. Like in a game. That's hard but probably not impossible. As soon as we are technically able to do something like this, chances are high that we, or I, live in a simulation.

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                Here are a bunch of arguments pro and contra:
                https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nvdcDuIZVvg

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                  Counter question; would it make any difference?

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                  That's the point - it wouldn't. People seem to expect that things would be different or meaningless if we did but I've never understood that logic. Even if we do live in the base reality it could just as well be a simulation and nothing would need to change.

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                    Belief in a simulation implies intelligent design of some sort, so this is, in my opinion, just a 21st century way of asking the age old question, does God exist?

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                    God is a loaded term though. Yes there would be a creator but it could be a completely passive observer.

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                      Well, until we see people randomly floating or chunks of the world disappearing, the answer will probably remain "who knows"

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                      People floating would go against the laws of physics of this simulation.

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                        50?! You're crazy! 0.5 at best!

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                        Nah, at least 0,50

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                          Ignorance is bliss!

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                          Just connect me to my reality.

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                            That's the point - it wouldn't. People seem to expect that things would be different or meaningless if we did but I've never understood that logic. Even if we do live in the base reality it could just as well be a simulation and nothing would need to change.

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                            Exactly. Even if it was definitely proven that this is all a simulation, there is exactly zero chance humans could ever break out of it or hack or exploit or even begin to understand the machine the simulation is running on. We have still not even figured out the rules for our universe and understanding what the real universe where this is a simulation is way beyond the scope of human understanding. We could not affect it in any meaningful way except maybe some laboratory tests or cause some hideous corruption. Yet we think and feel and experience living in the only way we know. Hence, I'd argue it would not matter.

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                              I want access to the dev console then.

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                                I mean is there any proof we don't live in a simulation? Like I am not arguing for simulation, neither am I arguing against it just, personally, I don't see simulation theory as something life changing and important. Odds would probably be 50/50, but don't see how it changes anything. If I live in simulation, I live in a simulation and someone is either controlling me or someone predestined me to do what I do, and it would be their fault for bad things happening. That would actually raise question why didn't they gave us more clear understandings of morals so we don't do bad things to each others, also why did they make us kill, and get sick...

                                If simulation is not real, then that doesn't change anything we still have questions about who or what made us, who or what was before our universe even existed.

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                                  Exactly. Even if it was definitely proven that this is all a simulation, there is exactly zero chance humans could ever break out of it or hack or exploit or even begin to understand the machine the simulation is running on. We have still not even figured out the rules for our universe and understanding what the real universe where this is a simulation is way beyond the scope of human understanding. We could not affect it in any meaningful way except maybe some laboratory tests or cause some hideous corruption. Yet we think and feel and experience living in the only way we know. Hence, I'd argue it would not matter.

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                                  This is quite literally how many religions view their divine beings. They are so massive that they are beyond your comprehension and we would be powerless to impact them.

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                                    If we are I want a word with the dev team. This shit needs a rebalance ASAP. Gravity wells are too OP, black hole mergers should not warp the fabric of spacetime.

                                    And don't even get me started on Gamma Ray Bursts or Vacuum Decay.

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                                      If we are I want a word with the dev team. This shit needs a rebalance ASAP. Gravity wells are too OP, black hole mergers should not warp the fabric of spacetime.

                                      And don't even get me started on Gamma Ray Bursts or Vacuum Decay.

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                                      Those probably are the intern's doing

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                                        I mean is there any proof we don't live in a simulation? Like I am not arguing for simulation, neither am I arguing against it just, personally, I don't see simulation theory as something life changing and important. Odds would probably be 50/50, but don't see how it changes anything. If I live in simulation, I live in a simulation and someone is either controlling me or someone predestined me to do what I do, and it would be their fault for bad things happening. That would actually raise question why didn't they gave us more clear understandings of morals so we don't do bad things to each others, also why did they make us kill, and get sick...

                                        If simulation is not real, then that doesn't change anything we still have questions about who or what made us, who or what was before our universe even existed.

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                                        The only way it matters is that maybe there's a way to escape 'to a higher plane'. But even without a simulation, there's always opportunities to understand the universe better and maybe make some fundamental breakthrough. Or there's mysticism. Of those three, a simulation may offer the least chance for a breakthrough.

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                                          People floating would go against the laws of physics of this simulation.

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                                          Best way to know if you're in a simulation is to observe when it glitches (in a way that can't be explained by a glitch in the sub-simulation that is human perception).

                                          You and several complete strangers see someone floating in the air without any technological support, assuming y'all haven't been poisoned in a similar way and are hallucinating, either a) there's some support you don't know how to look for, b) there's a condition of reality that hasn't been accounted for in the study of physics yet, or c) the rule set just straight broke somehow.

                                          I don't think anyone has totally eliminated glitches in the human or an incomplete understanding of physics to really support a 'we live in a simulation' explanation for strange phenomena, at least not yet.

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