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What is happening in the UK with respect to Palistine?

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    I don’t follow British politics; all I know is typically what I gather from headlines that pass through my feed.

    I was under the impression that the government did not support Palestine as they were arresting folks who spoke out in defense of Palestine and against the genocide.

    Now I’m seeing headlines saying Britain (amongst others) are set to recognize Palestine statehood.

    So what’s really going on?

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      I don’t follow British politics; all I know is typically what I gather from headlines that pass through my feed.

      I was under the impression that the government did not support Palestine as they were arresting folks who spoke out in defense of Palestine and against the genocide.

      Now I’m seeing headlines saying Britain (amongst others) are set to recognize Palestine statehood.

      So what’s really going on?

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      The situation is far more complicated than anyone is saying out loud.

      Most people don't understand the geopolitical ramifications of Palestine existing, or weakening Israel.

      This whole thing is a global proxy war between the west and a bunch of middle eastern countries. Even China has its own involvement on the side of the middle eastern group, though behind the scenes rather than overt.

      Unfortunately it's almost entirely a one sided genocide of the Palestinian people as a result.

      The whole recognition of Palestine at this point is mostly just to stem the anger of the general populations in Western countries, but it will also allow these countries to keep supporting Israel behind the scenes in order to keep a lid on the middle eastern powers.

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        I don’t follow British politics; all I know is typically what I gather from headlines that pass through my feed.

        I was under the impression that the government did not support Palestine as they were arresting folks who spoke out in defense of Palestine and against the genocide.

        Now I’m seeing headlines saying Britain (amongst others) are set to recognize Palestine statehood.

        So what’s really going on?

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        The government is not arresting people just for speaking out in defence of Palestine; there have been mass protests and even a high-profile charity concert in London just the other day.

        The arrests are people specifically protesting in support of Palestine Action, an activist group that the government designated a terrorist organisation after members broke into an RAF airbase and vandalised aircraft.

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          The government is not arresting people just for speaking out in defence of Palestine; there have been mass protests and even a high-profile charity concert in London just the other day.

          The arrests are people specifically protesting in support of Palestine Action, an activist group that the government designated a terrorist organisation after members broke into an RAF airbase and vandalised aircraft.

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          That makes some sense. It kinda takes the bite out of that Banksy piece…

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            I don’t follow British politics; all I know is typically what I gather from headlines that pass through my feed.

            I was under the impression that the government did not support Palestine as they were arresting folks who spoke out in defense of Palestine and against the genocide.

            Now I’m seeing headlines saying Britain (amongst others) are set to recognize Palestine statehood.

            So what’s really going on?

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            Nothing. Performative posturing to appear not complicit, which they are.

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              The government is not arresting people just for speaking out in defence of Palestine; there have been mass protests and even a high-profile charity concert in London just the other day.

              The arrests are people specifically protesting in support of Palestine Action, an activist group that the government designated a terrorist organisation after members broke into an RAF airbase and vandalised aircraft.

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              The guardian podcast said differently, randomly arresting people for terror for peotesting the issue no mention of the proscribed.

              Why are you repudiating the podcasy?

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                The government is not arresting people just for speaking out in defence of Palestine; there have been mass protests and even a high-profile charity concert in London just the other day.

                The arrests are people specifically protesting in support of Palestine Action, an activist group that the government designated a terrorist organisation after members broke into an RAF airbase and vandalised aircraft.

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                Mandela was also in the list of terrorist. Stop with your stupid justifications

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                  The situation is far more complicated than anyone is saying out loud.

                  Most people don't understand the geopolitical ramifications of Palestine existing, or weakening Israel.

                  This whole thing is a global proxy war between the west and a bunch of middle eastern countries. Even China has its own involvement on the side of the middle eastern group, though behind the scenes rather than overt.

                  Unfortunately it's almost entirely a one sided genocide of the Palestinian people as a result.

                  The whole recognition of Palestine at this point is mostly just to stem the anger of the general populations in Western countries, but it will also allow these countries to keep supporting Israel behind the scenes in order to keep a lid on the middle eastern powers.

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                  They signed the genocide convenstion . Their excuses is useless

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                    Mandela was also in the list of terrorist. Stop with your stupid justifications

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                    Mandela was the founder of the paramilitary wing of the ANC, which had a bloody campaign of bombings, murders, armed robberies, and massacres in South Africa and neighbouring countries. He very much was a terrorist.

                    In any case, they were the only person who actually answered OP’s question.

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                      Mandela was the founder of the paramilitary wing of the ANC, which had a bloody campaign of bombings, murders, armed robberies, and massacres in South Africa and neighbouring countries. He very much was a terrorist.

                      In any case, they were the only person who actually answered OP’s question.

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                      Now he is an hero. You look like a cultist supporting the government blindly and would have supported the maintain of the apartheid . Palestine action didn't kill anybody too.

                      You seems to be from the uk, if it is the case your country was responsible for more terrorism then anti apartheid leaders fighting for black liberation in south africa

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                        Mandela was also in the list of terrorist. Stop with your stupid justifications

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                        Not justification, I never said I agree with the arrests. I’m just sharing the facts of the situation.

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                          The situation is far more complicated than anyone is saying out loud.

                          Most people don't understand the geopolitical ramifications of Palestine existing, or weakening Israel.

                          This whole thing is a global proxy war between the west and a bunch of middle eastern countries. Even China has its own involvement on the side of the middle eastern group, though behind the scenes rather than overt.

                          Unfortunately it's almost entirely a one sided genocide of the Palestinian people as a result.

                          The whole recognition of Palestine at this point is mostly just to stem the anger of the general populations in Western countries, but it will also allow these countries to keep supporting Israel behind the scenes in order to keep a lid on the middle eastern powers.

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                          Which Middle Eastern powers are we talking about here?

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                            The guardian podcast said differently, randomly arresting people for terror for peotesting the issue no mention of the proscribed.

                            Why are you repudiating the podcasy?

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                            I’m not repudiating anything; these are relevant news sources to help answer OP’s question.

                            I haven’t heard the podcast, but feel free to share a link if you think it provides more information.

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                              Not justification, I never said I agree with the arrests. I’m just sharing the facts of the situation.

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                              Palestinian actions goal is to effectively do damage to military equipment's used in the genocide and the whole reason the u.k designed them as terrorists is exactly this , only allowing protests that won't change anything . So yes the facts of the situation is that the uk is arresting people supporting the end of the genocide and support for palestine

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                                I don’t follow British politics; all I know is typically what I gather from headlines that pass through my feed.

                                I was under the impression that the government did not support Palestine as they were arresting folks who spoke out in defense of Palestine and against the genocide.

                                Now I’m seeing headlines saying Britain (amongst others) are set to recognize Palestine statehood.

                                So what’s really going on?

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                                The UK government now officially recognise where the weapons sold to Israel are fired at

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                                  Iran and their supporters?

                                  I mean.. Like with most things, just follow the money.

                                  Hamas is not buying and building their own weapons, Palestinians are dirt poor. Where's the money and weapons coming from?

                                  We all know the west is dumping money into Israel.

                                  This is how you understand modern geopolitical situations.

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                                    They signed the genocide convenstion . Their excuses is useless

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                                    Anything someone signs is only worth what can be enforced. Nobody can enforce the situation here against the countries that have chosen to be involved, so having that is worthless.

                                    A bunch of big countries commit war crimes pretty regularly too, the US, Russia, even Ukraine, definitely China.... India killer a Canadian on Canadian soil not too long ago for political reasons.

                                    If there's no enforcement, rules are worthless.

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                                      Nothing. Performative posturing to appear not complicit, which they are.

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                                      You saved me from having to say it. It's all theater as they say

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