How do you look upon the future in regards of climat change? How do you imagine your life in the coming distopie?
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1.5°C climat goal is gone with 2024/2025 being every day being above that. A positive view of science says we are heading to a 2.7°C hell by 2100. Thought with current politics that is highly doubtful and we might already have that with 2050.
Especially fellow young people, i would like to hear your look apon the future, are you doing something now because you probably wont be able to do it in the future?
How will you imagine life will be like? Will you have to move because of the rising sea levels?
For me i see black. Its over and this is the coldest we will ever have it. I am enjoying somewhat livible summers and lukewarm winters (I remember when there was snow) as long as i can. The future is done for and im angry and sadend by all the people that dont care or actively fight against enviormental policies and living
Doing my part to stop the spread of humanity by not having kids. I don’t really care what the future holds. The planet’s fine and will be so much better off without us (c’mon, meteor!) and I’m still pretty confident that the oligarchs will get what’s coming to them. Or their offspring will get what was coming for their parents. Regardless, that’s something to live for…
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I think I'll be dead before we see any life changing differences.
Unlike those who came before me, I DO care, and I want us to turn shit around, so my kids don't have to deal with an apocalypse, but, I'm not completely against a giant meteorite ending it all at any moment.
I mean, I'm living in hurricane alley. Very easy to see a future in which I'm through another Katrina or Harvey or Sandy. Only question is whether municipal and state services will be able to keep the lights after the next one.
Could very easily see a future in which a chunk of the city loses power or transportation to such a degree that it becomes functionally uninhabitable.
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Doing my part to stop the spread of humanity by not having kids. I don’t really care what the future holds. The planet’s fine and will be so much better off without us (c’mon, meteor!) and I’m still pretty confident that the oligarchs will get what’s coming to them. Or their offspring will get what was coming for their parents. Regardless, that’s something to live for…
Same, but Coronal Mass Ejection
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A hotter era than we've ever had during human civilization...
https://xkcd.com/1732/Yup, and the rate of change is massive compared to every other time climate has shifted. What normally takes tens of thousands of years we're speed running in a couple hundred. This doesn't give a lot of time for life to adapt to the rapid changes, and all the associated affects that come with it (sea level change, sea salinity change, currents shifting, etc).
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A hotter era than we've ever had during human civilization...
https://xkcd.com/1732/The "current path" scenario tends to assume we can maintain/grow the rate of carbon emissions indefinitely.
However, the short term disruption of COVID demonstrated an immediate and pronounced drop in temperature based almost entirely around the reduction of industrial transportation (planes and cars, primarily) and subsequent drop in electricity demands due to a decline in global commerce.
I see people insisting on the apocalyptic scenario while simultaneously clinging to this notion that we can keep cramming more particulate into the atmosphere unabated forever. It can't be both.
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Ditto, except the kids part, decided against having them just right in the middle of the 2008 financial crisis. I too wouldn't mind a mass extinction event, as long as it's quick.
I understand not WANTING everything to end at any given time, but it also just seems like the perfect solution to EVERY problem.
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A hotter era than we've ever had during human civilization...
https://xkcd.com/1732/
the complete scheme of temperature fluctuations
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1.5°C climat goal is gone with 2024/2025 being every day being above that. A positive view of science says we are heading to a 2.7°C hell by 2100. Thought with current politics that is highly doubtful and we might already have that with 2050.
Especially fellow young people, i would like to hear your look apon the future, are you doing something now because you probably wont be able to do it in the future?
How will you imagine life will be like? Will you have to move because of the rising sea levels?
For me i see black. Its over and this is the coldest we will ever have it. I am enjoying somewhat livible summers and lukewarm winters (I remember when there was snow) as long as i can. The future is done for and im angry and sadend by all the people that dont care or actively fight against enviormental policies and living
I live in a place where there's 5 months of winter with real snow. I work in agriculture and the short growing season is a huge limiter on what can be produced here and with what yield. Most people here wouldn't mind it being a bit warmer. Say having 3 months of winter instead of the usual 5. And in my industry at this specific region the farmers are actually looking forward to climate change and have already started benefiting from it. New crops are already entering that were not possible before. And farmers can now start harvesting grains in August while only 10-20 years ago september was the norm. All science-based projections predict yield increases for all crops here.
From a purely selfish perspective I should celebrate climate change. Farming here will just get better and if farming elsewhere gets worse the price for produce produced here will also increase. But while it's good for my career and maybe even my own enjoyment of the weather I would never say I look forward to it. The huge amount of future misery in the world that is and will be caused by climate change is not worth any improvement in this absolutely tiny piece of the planet I'm on. Still I take comfort in knowing I'll be alright. As long as the affected regions of the world don't invade mine...
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1.5°C climat goal is gone with 2024/2025 being every day being above that. A positive view of science says we are heading to a 2.7°C hell by 2100. Thought with current politics that is highly doubtful and we might already have that with 2050.
Especially fellow young people, i would like to hear your look apon the future, are you doing something now because you probably wont be able to do it in the future?
How will you imagine life will be like? Will you have to move because of the rising sea levels?
For me i see black. Its over and this is the coldest we will ever have it. I am enjoying somewhat livible summers and lukewarm winters (I remember when there was snow) as long as i can. The future is done for and im angry and sadend by all the people that dont care or actively fight against enviormental policies and living
By calling it the "coming dystopia" and "a 2.7°C hell" you're starting this question off with a highly biased direction indeed.
The whole world isn't going to turn into some kind of Mad Max inferno of devastation and death. Some parts of it will become less habitable, and there may be mass migration as a result, but most of the world is going to still be perfectly livable afterwards. It's the disruption of shifting everything around that's going to be the biggest problem.
However, I have now committed a heresy by saying climate change is not the Apocalypse, so this will get downvoted. The answers more in line with the "it's the end of the world" narrative will be upvoted instead, people will have their fear reaffirmed (for fear leads to anger, and anger leads to dopamine), and ironically this may lead to less useful preparation in the long run that exacerbates the problem.
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the complete scheme of temperature fluctuations
That peak during the Eocene is an interesting thing to study in the context of this question. Wikipedia's got some good articles: Early Eocene Climactic Optimum and Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum.
In a nutshell, IMO; it wasn't all that bad in the grand scheme of things. There were some extinctions but life carried on and some of it did quite well.
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1.5°C climat goal is gone with 2024/2025 being every day being above that. A positive view of science says we are heading to a 2.7°C hell by 2100. Thought with current politics that is highly doubtful and we might already have that with 2050.
Especially fellow young people, i would like to hear your look apon the future, are you doing something now because you probably wont be able to do it in the future?
How will you imagine life will be like? Will you have to move because of the rising sea levels?
For me i see black. Its over and this is the coldest we will ever have it. I am enjoying somewhat livible summers and lukewarm winters (I remember when there was snow) as long as i can. The future is done for and im angry and sadend by all the people that dont care or actively fight against enviormental policies and living
Honestly? I'm not ready to give into some kind of fatalistic view that each 0.1°C difference isn't worth fighting for.
There are a few areas where we might see huge improvement in a short amount of time. With car electrification, we saw electric cars go from something like 0% of the global market to 20% of new cars in just 10 years. Meanwhile, the decarbonization of electric grids is happening at a rapid pace, too, with solar and wind representing a huge percentage of newly installed capacity.
And some game changing technologies are right around the corner. Grid scale battery storage is turning into a significant part of managing daily demand, and might soon become an important part of managing seasonal demand. Dispatchable advanced geothermal (using the oil and gas's fracking/horizontal drilling techniques to dig new hydrothermal sources) is right around the corner. And it's not exactly imminent, but researchers are making advances in fusion power.
If energy becomes cheap enough, carbon capture for net zero fuels becomes economical, too. That opens the floodgates for trucking, maritime, and aviation uses. Excess power generation at certain times of day can be used for the less time sensitive energy consumption: treating water, manufacturing certain chemicals, charging batteries, heating and cooling some kind of thermal storage system, etc.
Plus, cynically, indoor heating is a much larger driver of fossil fuel consumption than indoor cooling, so a warming planet kinda reduces overall emissions from indoor climate control.
And the thing with all of these factors I'm naming is that these don't rely on governments to enforce sacrifices by industry or commerce. The pricing has already fallen in line so that the cleanest option is the cheapest option. Policy can nudge things, but actually engineering improvement through price signals is going to create much bigger change: you don't need the government to shut down a coal plant when the power plant simply can't produce electricity cheap enough to turn a profit.
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1.5°C climat goal is gone with 2024/2025 being every day being above that. A positive view of science says we are heading to a 2.7°C hell by 2100. Thought with current politics that is highly doubtful and we might already have that with 2050.
Especially fellow young people, i would like to hear your look apon the future, are you doing something now because you probably wont be able to do it in the future?
How will you imagine life will be like? Will you have to move because of the rising sea levels?
For me i see black. Its over and this is the coldest we will ever have it. I am enjoying somewhat livible summers and lukewarm winters (I remember when there was snow) as long as i can. The future is done for and im angry and sadend by all the people that dont care or actively fight against enviormental policies and living
It will be increasingly important to have access to buildings able to withstand extreme climate events and have access to climatisation. Maybe our diet will change a bit. Surely there will be an impact on the vegetation, animals, and diseases.
For some parts of the world the future will be mass emigration and conflicts around resources.
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Doing my part to stop the spread of humanity by not having kids. I don’t really care what the future holds. The planet’s fine and will be so much better off without us (c’mon, meteor!) and I’m still pretty confident that the oligarchs will get what’s coming to them. Or their offspring will get what was coming for their parents. Regardless, that’s something to live for…
Same. I feel better about my vasectomy each day.
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The "current path" scenario tends to assume we can maintain/grow the rate of carbon emissions indefinitely.
However, the short term disruption of COVID demonstrated an immediate and pronounced drop in temperature based almost entirely around the reduction of industrial transportation (planes and cars, primarily) and subsequent drop in electricity demands due to a decline in global commerce.
I see people insisting on the apocalyptic scenario while simultaneously clinging to this notion that we can keep cramming more particulate into the atmosphere unabated forever. It can't be both.
They have multiple scenarios though.
Page 571 of https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/climate-change-2021-the-physical-science-basis/future-global-climate-scenariobased-projections-and-nearterm-information/309359EDDCFABB031C078AE20CEE04FDExplanation of SSP:
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Same, but Coronal Mass Ejection
Same, but gamma ray burst.
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They have multiple scenarios though.
Page 571 of https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/climate-change-2021-the-physical-science-basis/future-global-climate-scenariobased-projections-and-nearterm-information/309359EDDCFABB031C078AE20CEE04FDExplanation of SSP:
That's certainly better. But they all describe themselves in terms of high or low population growth.
What happens when we mix low rates of reproduction with shrinking life expectancy. China and Japan are both experiencing population decline, while Europe is scheduled to join them in another decade.
Countries facing harsh environmental or hostile military environments have seen even worse outcomes. Between 1991 and 2015, Ukraine lost 20% of its population. The war has only accelerated this trend.
Gaza is on track to lose over 50% of it's population, relative to 2023, before the end of the year. Libya, Syria, and Yemen are facing similar plights.
The US is also in the early stages of a manufactured population crash, with drastic shifts in domestic policy curbing immigration sharply, spiking infant/maternal mortality, and ratcheting the risk of infectious disease spread. This, after COVID cleared over a million excess deaths inside two years.
SP1 and SP3 both posit slow population growth. But neither posit the consequences of a more rapid and economically turbulent decline.
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I understand not WANTING everything to end at any given time, but it also just seems like the perfect solution to EVERY problem.
this is called 'suicidal thoughts'
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1.5°C climat goal is gone with 2024/2025 being every day being above that. A positive view of science says we are heading to a 2.7°C hell by 2100. Thought with current politics that is highly doubtful and we might already have that with 2050.
Especially fellow young people, i would like to hear your look apon the future, are you doing something now because you probably wont be able to do it in the future?
How will you imagine life will be like? Will you have to move because of the rising sea levels?
For me i see black. Its over and this is the coldest we will ever have it. I am enjoying somewhat livible summers and lukewarm winters (I remember when there was snow) as long as i can. The future is done for and im angry and sadend by all the people that dont care or actively fight against enviormental policies and living
Wildfire season becomes a thing on the East Coast as Canadian forests burn. People start spending more time indoors in the summer because of it.
The bad time of year shifts from winter to summer as snow becomes rarer and heat waves become common.
Coastal cities near me either harden their coasts or design their cities to not flood. Major tunnels are retrofitted to allow for saltwater intrusion with minimal damage.
More multigenerational homes form as retirees in Florida become climate refugees as several Florida metro areas collapse due to the increased number of hurricanes. They don't call themselves refugees, though.
Several state parks form in the region, created as the state buys out entire communities to intentionally create new freshwater wetlands.
Areas that don't flood see rapid densification as property values skyrocket and single family homes are pushed into apartment buildings like the urbanization of cities in the 19th century.
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this is called 'suicidal thoughts'
Is it?
I wouldn't be the one doing the killing, so I don't think it should count as suicide.
But, I really don't know. Just seems like it should be a different term. Extinctual thoughts, maybe?
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1.5°C climat goal is gone with 2024/2025 being every day being above that. A positive view of science says we are heading to a 2.7°C hell by 2100. Thought with current politics that is highly doubtful and we might already have that with 2050.
Especially fellow young people, i would like to hear your look apon the future, are you doing something now because you probably wont be able to do it in the future?
How will you imagine life will be like? Will you have to move because of the rising sea levels?
For me i see black. Its over and this is the coldest we will ever have it. I am enjoying somewhat livible summers and lukewarm winters (I remember when there was snow) as long as i can. The future is done for and im angry and sadend by all the people that dont care or actively fight against enviormental policies and living
The last decade has shown us how stupid humans are and how unprepared we are for the complex future that awaits us.
We're fucked.
Enjoy what you can, while you can.
