Professor's got it right
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never have refused. never will.
But do u think its important that u retain the right to? Even if you don't intend to use it.
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Not suddenly, but gradually
Very much not true for all. Some realise things over time, but most were born like they are. Some also do choose things, but it's a very small percentage and that in no way makes it any less important to accept and support.
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If medical professionals are punished for refusing to treat patients because of race, then the same goes for refusing to treat someone for "having different lifestyle".
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Look I'm gonna get a lot of hate for this but let's try and be a little nuance about this.
I don't think it is moral to force someone to do something they don't want to do for whatever reason. Eg u shouldn't be allowed to force a woman to carry a pregnancy to completion. Nor should u be forced to help said person end that pregnancy if you don't want to. I think if u don't want to end it you should be forced to give them the contact of someone who will.
If you are going to force someone to medically treat someone for something you don't want to do, u by definition do not believe it is beneficial to them and is thus a violation of ur oath.
If you become a medical profession, do your job. End of story. Leave your personal crap at the door or get a new job.
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Look I'm gonna get a lot of hate for this but let's try and be a little nuance about this.
I don't think it is moral to force someone to do something they don't want to do for whatever reason. Eg u shouldn't be allowed to force a woman to carry a pregnancy to completion. Nor should u be forced to help said person end that pregnancy if you don't want to. I think if u don't want to end it you should be forced to give them the contact of someone who will.
If you are going to force someone to medically treat someone for something you don't want to do, u by definition do not believe it is beneficial to them and is thus a violation of ur oath.
The oath is broken before anyone forced anything. Treat people, or find another career because health care is incompatible with this homophobic bullshit.
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But do u think its important that u retain the right to? Even if you don't intend to use it.
the right to refuse providing life saving service to someone? even if I consider the person no longer a human because they chose to become a nazi?
not an actual right. if you canโt provide it, to everyone, even people who disgust you, youโre in the wrong industry.
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the right to refuse providing life saving service to someone? even if I consider the person no longer a human because they chose to become a nazi?
not an actual right. if you canโt provide it, to everyone, even people who disgust you, youโre in the wrong industry.
Interesting so you would feel obligated to save Hitlers life from an injury that would be fatal without ur intervention?
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Interesting so you would feel obligated to save Hitlers life from an injury that would be fatal without ur intervention?
reductio ad absurdum.
the guy having a heart attack by the mcdonalds with nazi tattoos is a nazi. not the same as literal hitler. still an inhuman piece of shit. still worthless. still required to provide care. not the target of a worldwide multinational military operation requiring millions of russians to take berlin.
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They gradually do not choose to be themselves? I donโt understand.
M137 understood what I meant.
I believe that people are born with the same primitive instincts as everyone else, (survive and reproduce) but they gradually begin to develop their own feelings and sense of being. Some natural, some by trauma, etc, overcoming the expectations of your parents being the biggest hurdle.
I'm just simply saying that people aren't born knowing they're a part of that community until they've come to a realization or a spark.
Just my opinion. Just how I observed a family member and his experiences. Sadly, no one accepted him and he's gone now. But I read his journals about how he felt, came to being, etc afterwards. Just wanted to understand.
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The oath is broken before anyone forced anything. Treat people, or find another career because health care is incompatible with this homophobic bullshit.
Depends on the oath. Most say "according to my ability and judgment" which I think would include ones personal moral judgement.
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If you become a medical profession, do your job. End of story. Leave your personal crap at the door or get a new job.
If u become a soldier do ur job leave ur personal crap at the door or get a new job. U just justified the actions of the Nazis "I'm just following orders".
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reductio ad absurdum.
the guy having a heart attack by the mcdonalds with nazi tattoos is a nazi. not the same as literal hitler. still an inhuman piece of shit. still worthless. still required to provide care. not the target of a worldwide multinational military operation requiring millions of russians to take berlin.
reductio ad absurdum.
I don't think so. If you do not retain the right to refuse service you must save Hitlers life. Given that the logic leads us to this ultimatum u must choose save Hitlers life ur retain the right to refuse service based on personal moral views.
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reductio ad absurdum.
I don't think so. If you do not retain the right to refuse service you must save Hitlers life. Given that the logic leads us to this ultimatum u must choose save Hitlers life ur retain the right to refuse service based on personal moral views.
think so
well then, youโre fucking wrong.
also โsave lifeโ different than โattemptโ
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If that were true, the US would still have segregated lunch counters, grocery stores, and private buses. The Supreme Court may be getting us on the way there one day, but right now the only way that private businesses are allowed to discriminate against protected classes is to call the output work a "creative expression" like website design, floral arrangement, or cake decoration, and that's from the 303 Creative case.
Besides, how would it make sense if a company could bar you as a customer for being gay, but be compelled to employ you?
There is no federal law that bans discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender identity in public accommodations, like restaurants, theaters and other businesses. However, state and local laws where you live may ban this kind of discrimination.
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Wasn't there a bakery that won a case allowing them not to sell wedding cakes to gay couples?
Yes..The Colorado Commission ruled against him but the Supreme Court said he didn't have to let them eat cake.
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Its disgusting that Republicans have tried to push for this cruelty.
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I mean, that is sweat and all as something that particular professor thinks, but doctors in the United States donโt have to treat anyone they donโt want to, and we already see them denying prenatal care based on marital status. Iโm sure sexual preference are just around the bend.
Citation needed. So far there has been one instance, in Tenessee, where a horrendous law was passed recently to allow that.
That law is a state law. As in, only in Tenessee. Not the whole country.
Things are absolutely shit, amd headed for worse, but let's not spread falsehoods please.
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Excellent. And they can take the pharmacists who have "personal or religious beliefs" and get rid of them too. No one should need to ask some other citizen's personal permission for a service I contracted with my own doctor and medical company.
There are even some drug store cashiers that will refuse to sell condoms. Americans need to learn that if it doesnt affect you personally, its not their place to pretend they are a stakeholder in anyone else's life. Stay in your effing lane, American healthcare workers. No one cares what you dont like or what your personal sky-fairy tells you. Last I heard "freedom of religion" was actually more "freedom from the tyranny of religion" when it was implemented by the nations founders.
While they are at it, Americans should stay out of other peoples bedrooms too. If they arent part of the situation, they don't get a vote. As long as its consensual between two adult humans, its no one elses business what they do in there. <eagle cry of freedom right here>
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What if I wanna be a chaotic-good doctor and deny nazis treatment?
Find a different career
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I act on all the homosexual urges I have. They just happen to be zero. If you have homosexual urges itโs likely because youโre gay. Iโm not really sure why this concept is so hard especially for the ultra religiousโฆ.
Or they're bi. I grew up ultra religious and the choice explanation made more sense to me because I had both homo and hetero urges, and I assumed it was the same for everyone (I thought of people who claimed otherwise as self-righteous). In my mind at the time homosexual urges were just part of people's sinful nature they had to overcome. The whole thing only seems so incoherent from an outside perspective, which I was fortunately able to arrive at after experiencing the world more.
