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That's not what that proves lol, but it does prove that the gold standard does not work and is not sustainable.
You should probably read up a little bit on history, the facts disagree with you. The US government had to use regulations and policies to influence the supply of gold: grants for gold mining, setting the reserve rates, hoarding gold to keep out of circulation. Until the gold standard dropped, there was even a limit on the amount of gold one could legally own. On top of this, other gold producing nations had the power to directly influence US monetary value and undermine US sovereignty.
Throw in implications and challenges of being a global reserve currency (Triffin dilemma), and you end up having a really bad time with an unhealthy economy.
Foolish people that don't know history want to pretend that the gold standard magically creates some kind of natural currency free of "government meddling", but the reality is that even more meddling and government control was required under the gold standard than compared to fiat currency.
That's not what that proves lol, but it does prove that the gold standard does not work and is not sustainable.
If the economy grew at the rate of mining pre1976 and had no relationship post1976 then your hypothesis would be proven. Data shows this is false.
Yes the FED wanted full control over the US money supply, which is impossible under the gold standard. This desire was unrelated to inflation or deflation.
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That's not what that proves lol, but it does prove that the gold standard does not work and is not sustainable.
If the economy grew at the rate of mining pre1976 and had no relationship post1976 then your hypothesis would be proven. Data shows this is false.
Yes the FED wanted full control over the US money supply, which is impossible under the gold standard. This desire was unrelated to inflation or deflation.
If the economy grew at the rate of mining pre1976 and had no relationship post1976 then your hypothesis would be proven.
Ahhh! I understand what you are misunderstanding, now. You think that I said that the change in size of the pool of currency IS the change in the size of the economy itself. Here's what I said:
The total pool of currency needs to be able to grow with the economy.
The pool of currency and the economy are two separate things that can grow at two separate rates. It just creates serious economic problems when they are not aligned with each other. Homework assignment: read up on the Great Depression.
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Cool. So why would I ever want that?
So that anyone can buy what they want from whoever they want. So that payment processors cannot hold or be held by certain groups for ransom.
You know, the whole point of this thread.
Okay, so. First comment made this argument, to which I fired back that I'm not interested because:
Crypto is not a currency
Is an environmental disaster
Has massive deflationAnd since this thread has begun we've changed that to:
Is not a currency (you ceded this when you said that transactions would be in USD, just with the crypto as the value carrier)
Are mostly environmental disasters
Has massive deflation (you ceded this again with your transactional argument)Damn, your powers of persuasion are beyond my comprehension. /s
Seriously, the fuck are we doing here? You just wanna talk about nothing? I rather think daisies are pretty. What're your thoughts?
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If the economy grew at the rate of mining pre1976 and had no relationship post1976 then your hypothesis would be proven.
Ahhh! I understand what you are misunderstanding, now. You think that I said that the change in size of the pool of currency IS the change in the size of the economy itself. Here's what I said:
The total pool of currency needs to be able to grow with the economy.
The pool of currency and the economy are two separate things that can grow at two separate rates. It just creates serious economic problems when they are not aligned with each other. Homework assignment: read up on the Great Depression.
If it is true that total pool of currency needs to be able to grow with the economy then the rate one variable grows must be linked to the rate the other grows. If there is no link then there is no relationship.
The great depression was caused by a stock market over inflated with leverage. This has nothing to do with the gold standard.
And notice how we have deviated from the topic of deflation. It's a topic built on myth and misunderstanding that easily slips out of focus.
There is absolutely no evidence that deflation itself is bad. The great depression occurred because there was too much debt. Japan suffered in the 90s because it had too much debt. Deflation/inflation just measures who gains more over time, debtors or lenders.
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Okay, so. First comment made this argument, to which I fired back that I'm not interested because:
Crypto is not a currency
Is an environmental disaster
Has massive deflationAnd since this thread has begun we've changed that to:
Is not a currency (you ceded this when you said that transactions would be in USD, just with the crypto as the value carrier)
Are mostly environmental disasters
Has massive deflation (you ceded this again with your transactional argument)Damn, your powers of persuasion are beyond my comprehension. /s
Seriously, the fuck are we doing here? You just wanna talk about nothing? I rather think daisies are pretty. What're your thoughts?
Crypto is not a currency
Is an environmental disaster
Has massive deflationMy first response delt with this. Only bitcoin is an environmental disaster. Deflation is only relevant if you hold a currency long term. Irrelevant for payment processing.
Seriously, the fuck are we doing here?
We are discussing how to counter the monopoly stranglehold of payment processors. Crypto is a possible solution that is viable today.
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If it is true that total pool of currency needs to be able to grow with the economy then the rate one variable grows must be linked to the rate the other grows. If there is no link then there is no relationship.
The great depression was caused by a stock market over inflated with leverage. This has nothing to do with the gold standard.
And notice how we have deviated from the topic of deflation. It's a topic built on myth and misunderstanding that easily slips out of focus.
There is absolutely no evidence that deflation itself is bad. The great depression occurred because there was too much debt. Japan suffered in the 90s because it had too much debt. Deflation/inflation just measures who gains more over time, debtors or lenders.
wrote last edited by [email protected]If it is true that total pool of currency needs to be able to grow with the economy then the rate one variable grows must be linked to the rate the other grows.
You're just repeating the same mistake. We both agree this is not true, as in the economy can grow while the currency pool stays constant. They change independent from each other. It's just really bad when they both don't grow on a similar scale. They only need to grow at the same rate in order to maintain a healthy growing economy. The relationship/link between them is that when they get too out of sync, there will be a correction.
The great depression was caused by a stock market over inflated with leverage. This has nothing to do with the gold standard.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Depression#Attempts_to_return_to_the_Gold_Standard Again, facts and history disagrees with you. It's literally the very first on the list of causes lol
And notice how we have deviated from the topic of deflation.
You're certainly trying to, but I have not.
The great depression occurred because there was too much debt.
LOL. YES!!! DING DING DING! And how does deflation impact debt? Does it increase or decrease debt? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt_deflation
Kind of wild that you can admit that the worst economic downturn of all history was caused by debt, that deflation and inflation impact the way debt works, and in the very same paragraph say that "There is absolutely no evidence that deflation itself is bad." without a shred of self-reflection or irony. So, you understand that debt causes depressions, but simultaneously think an economic force that amplifies debt is totally harmless?? Make it make sense!!
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Bitcoin is really bad for using as currency, due to the fact that there is a permanent, public ledger of all transactions. Why would you want anyone you pay to be able to see and trace every transaction you've ever made? Pay rent in bitcoin, now your landlord can calculate your spending and who you do transactions with. And yes, there are services that aggregate and obfuscate transactions in order to make them less traceable, but now you've just reinvented the same centralized payment processor system that the whole thing is supposed to be replacing... so... what's the point?
Cash is good for using as currency.
That's a bad argument. Visa, MasterCard, etc. know who you're transacting with anyway. That is functionally equivalent to just paying from a Coinbase Bitcoin wallet. On the public ledger, it'll only show a transaction from a Coinbase wallet. No one would know it's you other than Coinbase and the porn provider
Woth crypto you could at least send it to your wallet, throw it through Tornado Cash, then put it in another wallet, making it extremely difficult to track
In general though, if the government wants to know who made a digital transaction, they'll be able to find out. Doesn't matter if you use a credit card or crypto
What makes Bitcoin bad as a currency is the slow, expensive transaction times
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Nah, I'm pretty sure it was r/comedynecromancy. They took unfunny comics/memes and made them funny. They were an offshoot of r/comedycemetary, they just reposted unfunny comics/memes to poke fun at.
Could be a case of parallel evolution.
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If it is true that total pool of currency needs to be able to grow with the economy then the rate one variable grows must be linked to the rate the other grows.
You're just repeating the same mistake. We both agree this is not true, as in the economy can grow while the currency pool stays constant. They change independent from each other. It's just really bad when they both don't grow on a similar scale. They only need to grow at the same rate in order to maintain a healthy growing economy. The relationship/link between them is that when they get too out of sync, there will be a correction.
The great depression was caused by a stock market over inflated with leverage. This has nothing to do with the gold standard.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Depression#Attempts_to_return_to_the_Gold_Standard Again, facts and history disagrees with you. It's literally the very first on the list of causes lol
And notice how we have deviated from the topic of deflation.
You're certainly trying to, but I have not.
The great depression occurred because there was too much debt.
LOL. YES!!! DING DING DING! And how does deflation impact debt? Does it increase or decrease debt? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debt_deflation
Kind of wild that you can admit that the worst economic downturn of all history was caused by debt, that deflation and inflation impact the way debt works, and in the very same paragraph say that "There is absolutely no evidence that deflation itself is bad." without a shred of self-reflection or irony. So, you understand that debt causes depressions, but simultaneously think an economic force that amplifies debt is totally harmless?? Make it make sense!!
During World War I, many countries suspended their gold standard in varying ways
It's in the first line. The cause here is WWI, not the great depression. These are countries going broke and abandoning the gold standard because of war, not because they are experiencing deflation.
Exactly. The quantity of debt relative to GDP is what is of concern. You are linking to the right things. Go back, reread them and then take a long walk and have a good think.
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Not really a meme meme, but i felt like i had to :s
I wonder how long this will last. The NSFW industry is insanely huge. If the current payment processors cut it off, that leaves a giant gap in the market just waiting to get filled (
).If they hold firm on this, it might just be a rare opportunity for a new (and hopefully better) payment processor to enter the market.
Or maybe just wider crypto adoption, idk.
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During World War I, many countries suspended their gold standard in varying ways
It's in the first line. The cause here is WWI, not the great depression. These are countries going broke and abandoning the gold standard because of war, not because they are experiencing deflation.
Exactly. The quantity of debt relative to GDP is what is of concern. You are linking to the right things. Go back, reread them and then take a long walk and have a good think.
wrote last edited by [email protected]The cause here is WWI, not the great depression.
Huh? Your reading comprehension needs some work. This is a list of causes of the Great Depression. Of course the Great Depression is not a cause of the Great Depression. The first cause of the Great Depression in the list is... (drum roll, please): the effects of the gold standard!!!
abandoning the gold standard because of war
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm what about war causes deflationary currency to be unsuitable?
And are those conditions exclusive to war? Checkmate. That was easy! -
So, this means that pretty much any paid adult content can't accept visa, right? Or are they just stomping in the small creators for not being profitable enough?
Looking at you, OnlyFans..
OnlyFans felt the pressure not too long ago. It's just when they announced they were banning porn, they realized they didn't have anything else. So they reversed course and somehow can still take payments.
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The cause here is WWI, not the great depression.
Huh? Your reading comprehension needs some work. This is a list of causes of the Great Depression. Of course the Great Depression is not a cause of the Great Depression. The first cause of the Great Depression in the list is... (drum roll, please): the effects of the gold standard!!!
abandoning the gold standard because of war
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm what about war causes deflationary currency to be unsuitable?
And are those conditions exclusive to war? Checkmate. That was easy!The conditions mean that debts cannot be repaid. Thats the fear. Not because the gradual increasing purchasing power of the underlying currency that actually benefits the bondholders.
Take a walk. Have a think.
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The conditions mean that debts cannot be repaid. Thats the fear. Not because the gradual increasing purchasing power of the underlying currency that actually benefits the bondholders.
Take a walk. Have a think.
wrote last edited by [email protected]The conditions mean that debts cannot be repaid
Does deflation make debt easier or harder to repay?
Again, an econ 101 class would really help you
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Crypto is not a currency
Is an environmental disaster
Has massive deflationMy first response delt with this. Only bitcoin is an environmental disaster. Deflation is only relevant if you hold a currency long term. Irrelevant for payment processing.
Seriously, the fuck are we doing here?
We are discussing how to counter the monopoly stranglehold of payment processors. Crypto is a possible solution that is viable today.
Alright. Here's an argument why crypto doesn't do that.
Today:
Me
Payment processor
VendorCrypto tomorrow:
Me
Payment processor
Crypto
Crypto fees
Payment processor
VendorSo not only am I paying the payment processor twice as much for the interaction (it doesn't matter which processor, since the issue at hand is their monopoly) thus rewarding their censorship, I also wasted a whole bunch more money for the privilege.
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Not really a meme meme, but i felt like i had to :s
I don't get it. Will they also ban sex shops, adult cinemas and every other offline adult entertainment thing that exist?
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Alright. Here's an argument why crypto doesn't do that.
Today:
Me
Payment processor
VendorCrypto tomorrow:
Me
Payment processor
Crypto
Crypto fees
Payment processor
VendorSo not only am I paying the payment processor twice as much for the interaction (it doesn't matter which processor, since the issue at hand is their monopoly) thus rewarding their censorship, I also wasted a whole bunch more money for the privilege.
wrote last edited by [email protected]Yes, the round trip is more expensive.
But if you receive some income in crypto and park it in a stablecoin (like USDC) then you can avoid the price volatility risks and round trip fees. The crypto fees are much less than 2% and this also avoids rewarding censorship.
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The conditions mean that debts cannot be repaid
Does deflation make debt easier or harder to repay?
Again, an econ 101 class would really help you
wrote last edited by [email protected]Deflation makes debt harder to repay and it rewards the debt owners with greater purchasing power.
This means deflation is actually a good thing for half of the economy (the bond holders). Not the monster it is always made out as being.
Again. The amount of debt is the worry, not the gradual change in value of the denomination.
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How are those related? It is possible for some conservatives to want to purge LGBT voices from the internet at the same time other conservatives want to advance crypto. These are not mutually exclusive goals.
It does however look really bad that such a massive criminal organization (trump and co) are pushing for it so hard.
All of this before getting into just how insanely wasteful and terrible for the world that crypto is.
Sorry that it helps a few artists, but the cost for everyone else is significantly higher to embrace what crypto is.
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Deflation makes debt harder to repay and it rewards the debt owners with greater purchasing power.
This means deflation is actually a good thing for half of the economy (the bond holders). Not the monster it is always made out as being.
Again. The amount of debt is the worry, not the gradual change in value of the denomination.
Again. The amount of debt is the worry
Does deflation increase or decrease the amount of debt?
I could literally do this all day lol its effortless to just be correct. It must be exhausting to need to constantly spin the argument and futily reconcile the inconsistencies and mental gymnastics of your position.
