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Microsoft Study Finds Relying on AI Kills Your Critical Thinking Skills

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    so no real chinese LLMs....who would have thought.....not the chinese apparently...but yet they think their "culture" of opression and stome-like-thinking will get them anywhere.
    the honey badger Xi calls himself an antiintellectual. this is how i perceive moat students from china i get to know. i pitty the chinese kids for the regime they live in.

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      Because the term fits way better…

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      A hallucination is a false perception of sensory experiences (sights, sounds, etc).

      LLMs don't have any senses, they have input, algorithms and output. They also have desired output and undesired output.

      So, no, 'hallucinations' fits far worse than failure or error or bad output. However assigning the term 'hallucinaton' does serve the billionaires in marketing their LLMs as actual sentience.

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        if you needed to find a source for the heaviest pokemon say that and you have a better chance, otherwise you get random comments its scraped

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        I just asked it what the heaviest Pokemon was, and it said wailord. I dont care about what it uses as a source as long as it's right.

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          Honestly, i've had fairly good luck with AI, im not sure how yall havent, its really not that bad, I typically gotta make it bad on purpose for fun.

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          I don't put effort in a 30 line question with a ton of specific stuff. I just ask it a question.

          What is the heaviest Pokemon?

          That's it. And then it goes and finds a Pokemon that isn't the heaviest now, and at no point in the series was it ever the heaviest.

          If I need multiple lines and clarification and stuff, that makes it worse than just finding it myself.

          Btw heaviest Pokemon is a many way tie as the weights don't go over 999.9kg.

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            A hallucination is a false perception of sensory experiences (sights, sounds, etc).

            LLMs don't have any senses, they have input, algorithms and output. They also have desired output and undesired output.

            So, no, 'hallucinations' fits far worse than failure or error or bad output. However assigning the term 'hallucinaton' does serve the billionaires in marketing their LLMs as actual sentience.

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            You might like confabulation better. Or bullshitting.

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              First off the AI isn’t correct 100% of the time, and it never will be.

              Secondly, you as well are stating in so many more words that people stop thinking critically about its output. They accept it.

              That is a lack of critical thinking on the part of the AI users, as well as yourself and the original poster.

              Like, I don’t understand the argument you all are making here - am I going fucking crazy? “Bro it’s not that they don’t think critically it’s just that they accept whatever they’re given” which is the fucking definition of a lack of critical thinking.

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              #188

              Let me try with another example that can get round your blind AI hatred.

              If people were using a calculator to calculate the value of an integral they would have significantly less diversity of results because they were all using the same tool. Less diversity of results has nothing to do with how good the tool is, it might be 100% right or 100% wrong but if everyone is using it then they will all get the same (or similar if it has a random element to it as LLMs do).

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                It’s going to remove all individuality and turn us into a homogeneous jelly-like society. We all think exactly the same since AI “smoothes out” the edges of extreme thinking.

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                #189

                Vs text books? What's the difference?

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                  I don't put effort in a 30 line question with a ton of specific stuff. I just ask it a question.

                  What is the heaviest Pokemon?

                  That's it. And then it goes and finds a Pokemon that isn't the heaviest now, and at no point in the series was it ever the heaviest.

                  If I need multiple lines and clarification and stuff, that makes it worse than just finding it myself.

                  Btw heaviest Pokemon is a many way tie as the weights don't go over 999.9kg.

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                  What is the heaviest pokemon according to the pokedex? Did you try that, its not time consuming. Celesteela according to chatgpt Idk if thats right Idk pokemon

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                    I don't put effort in a 30 line question with a ton of specific stuff. I just ask it a question.

                    What is the heaviest Pokemon?

                    That's it. And then it goes and finds a Pokemon that isn't the heaviest now, and at no point in the series was it ever the heaviest.

                    If I need multiple lines and clarification and stuff, that makes it worse than just finding it myself.

                    Btw heaviest Pokemon is a many way tie as the weights don't go over 999.9kg.

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                    #191

                    Asking it the way you asked opens the way for opinions from internet comments everywhere, and its not necesarily wrong since itd be subjective

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                      I don't put effort in a 30 line question with a ton of specific stuff. I just ask it a question.

                      What is the heaviest Pokemon?

                      That's it. And then it goes and finds a Pokemon that isn't the heaviest now, and at no point in the series was it ever the heaviest.

                      If I need multiple lines and clarification and stuff, that makes it worse than just finding it myself.

                      Btw heaviest Pokemon is a many way tie as the weights don't go over 999.9kg.

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                      #192

                      Like the way you asked it is conversational, so it responded like any random person would, but if you ask for it to base it on something real itll check against that

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                        I don't put effort in a 30 line question with a ton of specific stuff. I just ask it a question.

                        What is the heaviest Pokemon?

                        That's it. And then it goes and finds a Pokemon that isn't the heaviest now, and at no point in the series was it ever the heaviest.

                        If I need multiple lines and clarification and stuff, that makes it worse than just finding it myself.

                        Btw heaviest Pokemon is a many way tie as the weights don't go over 999.9kg.

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                        The heaviest Pokémon according to the Pokédex is Celesteela, which weighs 2204.4 lbs (999.9 kg). It’s an Ultra Beast introduced in Pokémon Sun & Moon and resembles a massive rocket.

                        Interestingly, the Pokédex caps weights at 999.9 kg, so Celesteela might not even be its true maximum weight!

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                          I just asked it what the heaviest Pokemon was, and it said wailord. I dont care about what it uses as a source as long as it's right.

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                          What is the heaviest pokemon according to the pokedex?
                          The heaviest Pokémon according to the Pokédex is Celesteela, which weighs 2204.4 lbs (999.9 kg). It’s an Ultra Beast introduced in Pokémon Sun & Moon and resembles a massive rocket.

                          Interestingly, the Pokédex caps weights at 999.9 kg, so Celesteela might not even be its true maximum weight!

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                            Vs text books? What's the difference?

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                            The variety of available text books, reviewed for use by educators vs autocratic loving tech bros pushing black box solutions to the masses.

                            Just off thebtopnofnmy head.

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                              I've only used it to write cover letters for me. I tried to also use it to write some code but it would just cycle through the same 5 wrong solutions it could think of, telling me "I've fixed the problem now"

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                                The variety of available text books, reviewed for use by educators vs autocratic loving tech bros pushing black box solutions to the masses.

                                Just off thebtopnofnmy head.

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                                Tech Bros aren't really reviewing it individually.

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                                  What is the heaviest pokemon according to the pokedex? Did you try that, its not time consuming. Celesteela according to chatgpt Idk if thats right Idk pokemon

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                                  Because that's double the sentence to type for a question. It's on my search thing that is meant to be for facts. I type the minimum sentence and the normal search works perfectly fine as it always has.

                                  Celesteela is tied first with cosmoem apparently. Searching for a list of heaviest Pokemon (typed heaviest Pokemon list) got gpt bing to respond with a list of Pokemon that are not the heaviest. Was looking for the actual list on a site, which the top link was but the AI ignored the top results of the search and spit out exclusively wrong answers.

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                                    Asking it the way you asked opens the way for opinions from internet comments everywhere, and its not necesarily wrong since itd be subjective

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                                    Asking what the heaviest anything is isn't subjective at all? Like, not even a tiny bit.

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                                      What is the heaviest pokemon according to the pokedex?
                                      The heaviest Pokémon according to the Pokédex is Celesteela, which weighs 2204.4 lbs (999.9 kg). It’s an Ultra Beast introduced in Pokémon Sun & Moon and resembles a massive rocket.

                                      Interestingly, the Pokédex caps weights at 999.9 kg, so Celesteela might not even be its true maximum weight!

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                                      It's still wrong and it even has the information in its own chat to know it is wrong. It's literally contradicting itself.

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                                        It's such a double edged sword though, Google is a good example, I became a netizen at a very young age and learned how to properly search for information over time.

                                        Unfortunately the vast majority of the population over the last two decades have not put in that effort, and it shows lol.

                                        Fundamentally, I do not believe in arbitrarily deciding who can and can not have access to information though.

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                                        I completely agree - I personally love that there’s so many Open Source AI tools out there.

                                        The scary part is (similar to what we experienced with DeepSeek’s web interface) that its extremely easy for these corporations to manipulate, or censor information.

                                        I should have clarified my concern - I believe we need to revisit critical thinking as a society (whole other topic) and especially so when it comes to tools like this.

                                        Ensuring everyone using it, is aware of what it does, its flaws, how to process its output, and its potential for abuse. Similar to internet safety training for kids in the mid-2000s.

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                                          It's still wrong and it even has the information in its own chat to know it is wrong. It's literally contradicting itself.

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                                          ai does that doesnt make it less useful for factual information lol, you literally yourself said that its a question with no answer that is up to debate

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