We're learnding.
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Definitely valid point. Were are aiming way too low as a nation. It’s ok for people to fail and we should be rewarding people for over achieving. Not the opposite.
Aiming low because it’s easy to hit, which is necessary when the punishment for not hitting is being stripped of everything that can make you safe and secure(money and private insurance, in that system). People are terrified and it’s 33/33/33 if they use that fear to fight for others, fight against everyone else, or shove their heads in the sand and pretend there’s nothing they can do about it. Oddly enough there’s also a spike in test scores and shit because competition for jobs has gotten so fierce, but at the same time bad management isn’t doing anything of real value with that talent and all it’s really doing is hurting everyone.
People don’t even actually need a reward for over-achieving, either. Most people will happily do it for their own pride and for the thrill of doing it. The issue is more that they are burnt out and rightfully not willing to put in the extra effort if their manager is just going to take the credit and they’ll watch their shitty raise, if they get one, still be outpaced by inflation year over year. Give me safety and a real life and I’ll do the rest for free; threaten me and you’ll be lucky I don’t direct that energy toward plucking your fucking eyes out.
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For us foreigners, 6th grade is around 10 / 11 years old?
Yep. God help us.
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You have entire corporations, nation-wide that are backed by religious nuts and racists, entire state-sized organizations of assholes paid from the bottom-up, and unless science and education has the same backing, we will lose.
When's the last time a rock band was labeled a "science band", but you can name four or five christian bands without even listening to them?
There are entire record companies and publishing houses that do nothing but spread more of it, interest groups in the billions of dollars that circulate faith and blindness. Even philanthropy, and a yelling preacher on every corner, sometimes across the street from one another, hospitals, nonprofits, foundations, you name it.
Christianity and Judaism is so overblown in support, we shouldn't expect anything less than absolute ignorance. Look what's pushing it.
Where exactly are the Jews advocating for cutting educational resources? Jews in general perform far better on educational metrics than most other groups, and their whole religion is based on reading, study, and debate.
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87.4% graduate high school, then people stop being forced to read books and those who never liked reading get out of practice
I genuinely do not understand why people do not like reading. Im not a super nerd and only read a few books a year but I look at the hours i spent reading those books as some of the best entertainment i've had all year.
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Can we fix that by abolishing the department of education?
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Yeah we elected one in to the presidential office too
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Well, reading and writing is a 6 millenia old technology, thus it's in dire need of replacement with AI readers /s
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Yep, going to report this. It's not a meme .. it is actually fact and documentation for our eventual Idiocracy future.
Just kidding about the report of course.
Op would be very upset if he could read this.
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In healthcare, all of our education material for patients is at a 5th grade level.
I mean, that's a whole different topic. Documents and info material everyone should have access to need to be inclusive so even your average Fox News viewer can read it.
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Can we fix that by abolishing the department of education?
It's only gonna get worse, isn't it?By design. Learndt particular individuals tend not to vote for Nazis.
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Yeah, we’ve noticed. Not that Europe is far behind I fear.
Literacy is definitely declining; people just don’t have the attention spans they used to. Between Twitter, TikTok and other brain rot, reading a book or simply a longer text just isn’t something a lot of people do.
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Question what is considered 6th grade.
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A little older. I was 11 in grade 6, but I was also the youngest student.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]I'm curious what it is for other countries so off to do a little searching....
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Right, it's better but not wildly so when spread across the EU and lower in some places. This page is from the Irish Central Statistics office with 2023 numbers and puts us at 21% at or below the level 1 (at or below a grade 6 equivalent). On that page (2023 numbers) the US is at 28% so that 54% statistic in the OP smells a bit.
The main difference between Ireland and the US is that we're only 5% below level 1 where the US is at 12%.
For reference, Portugal has 15% below level 1.
Here's the definition of level 1:
Here's the relevant graph with all levels in picture format but you can get the individual numbers by going to the page and hovering over the individual levels.
Japan and the Nordics crushing it to nobody's surprise.
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Question what is considered 6th grade.
It means you can read and understand the instructions on a pack of ramen but can't pick up on nuances, infer bias or apply any kind of abstract reasoning to a piece of text
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It means you can read and understand the instructions on a pack of ramen but can't pick up on nuances, infer bias or apply any kind of abstract reasoning to a piece of text
Before I read the last part of the sentence, I thought you were saying 6th graders couldn't pick up on the nuances and biases on a package of Ramen, and I started to wonder what I had missed.
Anxiety is a hell of a thing.
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As much as I enjoyed Idiocracy when it came out, I wish its proposed answer/crux of the issue wasn’t “smart people should have kids” and instead focused on educating the ones that are already here/brought into this world.
Yeah, the problem with Idiocracy is that it over plays the role of genetics and doesn't differentiate between ignorance and stupidity.
Sure, genetics plays some role, but I've seen some very smart people that came from average parents and some very dumb people who came from smart parents.
Education plays a much bigger role than people give it credit for.
I feel like there are probably some very smart people out there who we don't know about because of their lack of educational opportunities.
Pretty much my whole life (I'm 51) Americans have been talking about how bad our education system is compared to much of the world, yet nothing substantial was done about it. I think the current state of affairs is a reflection of that fact.
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Before I read the last part of the sentence, I thought you were saying 6th graders couldn't pick up on the nuances and biases on a package of Ramen, and I started to wonder what I had missed.
Anxiety is a hell of a thing.
You forgot to put the sauce in, that's why you thought Buldak is not a big deal.
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I'm curious what it is for other countries so off to do a little searching....
Update:
Right, it's better but not wildly so when spread across the EU and lower in some places. This page is from the Irish Central Statistics office with 2023 numbers and puts us at 21% at or below the level 1 (at or below a grade 6 equivalent). On that page (2023 numbers) the US is at 28% so that 54% statistic in the OP smells a bit.
The main difference between Ireland and the US is that we're only 5% below level 1 where the US is at 12%.
For reference, Portugal has 15% below level 1.
Here's the definition of level 1:
Here's the relevant graph with all levels in picture format but you can get the individual numbers by going to the page and hovering over the individual levels.
Japan and the Nordics crushing it to nobody's surprise.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]FYI, Portugal has a massive disjunction in educational and reading level between people who grew up before the Revolution that overthrew fascism and those who grew up after.
Fascism definitely kept people ignorant: mandatory education back then - and Fascism lasted until 1974, so we're not talking about the first half of the XX century - was only 4 years, which is just about enough to learn to read and that barely so, and access to anything beypnd that was nearly impossible for most people as the country was very agrarian and dirt poor.
I'm Portuguese and some of my older aunts are functionality illiterate, whilst most of my generation in my extended family (so around 14 people in our 40s and 50s) have degrees - which shows the veritable chasm in the availability and quality of Education before and after the Revolution.
The point being that minus that bulk of illiterate and near-illiterate old people who grew up during Fascism, the picture for Portugal changes a lot and, frankly, any 1st World country which is close to present day Portugal without having a whole generation that lived under a dictatorship which denied Education beyond the very basic to most people, doesn't really have an excuse for it.
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Yeah, we’ve noticed. Not that Europe is far behind I fear.
Literacy is definitely declining; people just don’t have the attention spans they used to. Between Twitter, TikTok and other brain rot, reading a book or simply a longer text just isn’t something a lot of people do.
I've noticed that, when confronted with longer text, many people just use an LLM to summarize it now.
