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  • sundray@lemmus.orgS [email protected]

    They weren't really teaching you how to play the recorder, they were teaching you how to read music. The recorder was just the cheapest, least complicated way to connect the notes you read to sounds you could hear.

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    We didn't learn to read music (I learned from separate piano lessons...)

    They just had diagrams of where to put your fingers and then the letters of the note, not actual notes on a clef...

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    • abasilplant@lemmy.worldA [email protected]

      Answers in Progress made a (great) video about this:

      why you were forced to learn the recorder in school

      Highlight begins at 8:06.

      There's a decent bit of history involved, going back to the Nazis in WW2.

      It's not because it's cheap to manufacture, because it wasn't back in the day. It became cheaper because it grew popular. It was about unity and cultural identity.

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      Super interesting. Thanks!

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        Now if you could only afford some hot cross buns

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          fingering scheme

          ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

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          Wait until you hear about the g string

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            This is a right wing meme

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            Because they don't like being recorded?

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            • D [email protected]

              Guitar. Learn 3-4 chords and you can play half of the songs out there. Easy to begin with, hard to master.

              Alternatively, Ukulele. Just 4 strings, and smaller, so more suitable for small children, though the chords seem to be more complicated.

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              Plenty of kids are not ready to handle a guitar

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                I cast vicious mockery, Nat 20. Let's F'ckn go!

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                Tuduludududoodeledie

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                  This is a right wing meme

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                  Nah apparently recorders are a Nazi plot or something so this is based & wokepilled.

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                    why the fuck are you talking about recorders, it's a flute....? (searched for it just right now and found out that's the name in English and it doesn't make sense at all, but OK)

                    Anyway, they're cheap, light, accessible, straightforward: no complex skill required to blow or get a correct tone.
                    Flute got me into reading music. Terrible teachers unable to comprehend that a teenager needs something fun to play instead of boring music study books got me out of it.

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                      Guitar. Learn 3-4 chords and you can play half of the songs out there. Easy to begin with, hard to master.

                      Alternatively, Ukulele. Just 4 strings, and smaller, so more suitable for small children, though the chords seem to be more complicated.

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                      The chords are easier; ukuleles are tuned like the 4 high strings of a guitar (yes I know that it's actually gCEA but it's functionally the same), and the chords are the same but without the last two strings.

                      However ukuleles are harder to play for adults because they are way too small. Anything higher than the 8th fret is basically unplayable.

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                        Guitar. Learn 3-4 chords and you can play half of the songs out there. Easy to begin with, hard to master.

                        Alternatively, Ukulele. Just 4 strings, and smaller, so more suitable for small children, though the chords seem to be more complicated.

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                        You can pick up a recorder for 20 dollars and they will withstand abuse. Not so a guitar. I agree that it's better musically and maybe pedagogically but it's got some deal breakers.

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                          Music is far and away the more worthy subject.

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                          I’ve had co-workers refuse a pay rise because they thought they would lose money due to higher taxes.

                          Music as a lesson has never once been beneficial outside of a classroom.

                          One skill is useful for life, the other is useful for the 3 people who intend to go on to study music.

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                            If only education could be a lifelong endeavor instead of something to do until you're 18.

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                            Bet.

                            Let them learn music when they’re 19 if they want and focus on important shit at school.

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                              I cast vicious mockery, Nat 20. Let's F'ckn go!

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                              I feel it in my fingers, I feel it in my toes.

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                                Looking back I'm actually confused why this was even a thing. Did Big Recorder have deals with schools to push this? Is Big Recorder a thing?

                                We only ever used them for like 3 weeks and then it was on to the next thing. Haven't touched it since.

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                                I wasn't given an instrument to learn to read music, also I was taught the Kodály method, which is quite bad for this purpose, also we were taught the doremi instead of the proper letter names of the notes for years, which is not absolute, thus I never learned how to read music that way. When I learned the guitar, I learned sheet music so well I can still read it, although not at a fast pace anymore.

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                                  why you were forced to learn the recorder in school

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                                    why you were forced to learn the recorder in school

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                                    Watched the whole thing, just lovely

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                                    • bleistift2@sopuli.xyzB [email protected]

                                      If you’re wondering, Why recorders? — there are three reasons:

                                      • They’re portable.
                                      • Recorders in decent enough quality can be cheaply produced, so even low-income children get to play one. Compare that with a guitar where 30$ gets you a piece of wood that detunes as soon as you lay eyes on it. Not great for practicing.
                                      • Recorders have an easily memorizable fingering scheme that allows you to quickly pick up the C Major scale. Compare this with a guitar where you need to remember for each string individually which frets have the notes of the scale.
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                                      It was a gateway instrument into learning the clarinet then eventually the alto sax, then baritone sax for me, so I really appreciate it.

                                      That being said, financial literacy is super important. Wasn't home-ec supposed to teach us that??

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                                      • deceptichum@quokk.auD [email protected]

                                        Obviously children have a finite amount of time to study without impacting their own agency too much.

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                                        I always found music class to be like a break between other classes. If you would've tried to teach me finances in the same timeslot, I would not have learned half of it.

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                                          My guy, they're 6 to 8. It's not time to learn that mess

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                                          Yeah kids aren't going to engage with something like that if they've never seen a bill in their lives, or even had their own money to spend. Music is universal, and 6 to 8 is exactly the age when they can start developing talent.

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