Tesla pulls out all the stops as Cybertruck sales grind to a halt
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The Silverado EV and F150 lightning seem pretty decent from the specs, but towing anything they still seriously suck. But for most people they're actually already pretty good... Unlike the cyber truck.
I've been following Edison Motors. EV and Hybrid both make sense and can work depending on the application. They managed some real work tests towing log trailers without the genset kicking on.
Personally, I would have a model line with the option to either have an all EV or hybrid drivetrain. Share parts from the battery to the wheel, but more batteries where the engine/generator would go if it's the pure EV option.
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You hit the nail on the head. If it can't tow it's pretty useless as a truck. If someone doesnt tow they probably dont need a truck in the first place otherwise they are better off with a gas model. The unfortunate thing is that regulations have forced manufacturers to implement shitty ICE drivetrains. Everything is a turbo now which is "more efficient" but there is no way they will last as long as the naturally aspirated V6 or V8s that would go for 400-500k miles.
Everything is a turbo now which is “more efficient” but there is no way they will last as long as the naturally aspirated V6 or V8s that would go for 400-500k miles.
uh, it's pretty common for turboed diesels to go over 500k miles. It's been standard since the late 90's.
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We're not all buying EVs for the environment. I bought an EV because I think the car is cool and it's really enjoyable to drive. It's nice that the "gas" is also significantly cheaper, but that wasn't high on my list of reasons to get the thing, either.
The EV owners I've talked to didn't buy them for the environment, either, but I haven't talked to any Leaf owners or anything. Maybe they're more environmentally conscious. It being better for the environment long term is definitely nice, and I hope progress continues on batteries made with less toxic components.
Thankfully, I did not buy a Tesla and they were never on my list of options because of Elon. So he definitely alienated a customer due to him being an awful human being. I also won't use any of their charging stations, since I don't want them to profit off of me.
You could say we bought our Teslas “for the environment” in a way, though a bit roundabout. When we bought them (2018), it was after having previously leasing a Leaf which had shit mileage and poor performance over 40mph. We wanted to signal to the industry with our dollars that we wanted the EV movement to succeed. Because apparently money is the only thing they listen to. We knew full well that EVs were only a step toward a greener future or whatever but we wanted the industry to take that step and understand that being environmentally friendlier was important.
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pickup trucks are hardly a niche product
Tanks camouflaged as pickup trucks are.
When did they start importing the Hilux?
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Nazi truck.
I can understand why Nazis like it, given the truck's habit of trapping you inside as it engulfs you in flames.
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Everything is a turbo now which is “more efficient” but there is no way they will last as long as the naturally aspirated V6 or V8s that would go for 400-500k miles.
uh, it's pretty common for turboed diesels to go over 500k miles. It's been standard since the late 90's.
If that's the case that's great. Not familiar with turbo diesels. I know that the turbo failure rate is non-trivial for regular gas vehicles and the repairs can be expensive.
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Nazi truck.
Apparently Elon hates it when you call them swasticars, so definitely do not do that.
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EV trucks will never make sense. Hybrids can but I have yet to see anything I would buy.
Pepsi is using EV semis going cross county. Never say never
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I remember posting about how a guy with a cybertruck would be an immediate no go for me and I was told by a guy I was being too judgy lol
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Have they tried pulling out the "Make a vehicle that's not a massive and shitty death trap," or "Boot the Nazi from the company" stops? Because, I suspect doing those two might help it out.
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The main reason I bought a truck was to tow heavy shit, and this piece of fuck trash Cyber truck can't even do that without the battery failing after less than 100 miles. Meanwhile an F150 can tow six times it's own weight thousands of miles.
Well that would make you in the 10% of people actually using their truck
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I remember posting about how a guy with a cybertruck would be an immediate no go for me and I was told by a guy I was being too judgy lol
It’s a solid real world filter.
This is definitely more acceptable than “no social media” being a red flag. Got that one before lol
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Well that would make you in the 10% of people actually using their truck
I bought a truck as a back up to my daily and weekend warrior, purely for towing and dirty jobs.
Always used my daily with a tow hitch for most things and honestly still pick it with a 6x8’ trailer on occasion over my truck often because it’s easier to maneuver…
A few of us exist
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Nazi truck.
Wankpanzer
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I can understand why Nazis like it, given the truck's habit of trapping you inside as it engulfs you in flames.
Some may call this a bug, but I'd argue this is it's best feature
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I remember posting about how a guy with a cybertruck would be an immediate no go for me and I was told by a guy I was being too judgy lol
Imagine a cyber truck bro listening to Joe Rogan in that thing. How does that not make every woman in sight instantly aroused?? /s
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I wish journalist would stop calling this PS 1 Pontiac Aztek "futuristic"; it just highlights how shitty our future is going to be.
I mean it would fit well in Robocop or The Running man so I guess it counts
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You hit the nail on the head. If it can't tow it's pretty useless as a truck. If someone doesnt tow they probably dont need a truck in the first place otherwise they are better off with a gas model. The unfortunate thing is that regulations have forced manufacturers to implement shitty ICE drivetrains. Everything is a turbo now which is "more efficient" but there is no way they will last as long as the naturally aspirated V6 or V8s that would go for 400-500k miles.
The average use case for the majority of truck owners in the US does not involve towing. Light trucks are driven an average of around 30 miles per day, which is why I say for most people they're actually in a pretty good position, other than being pretty expensive vehicles of course. If you own a caravan or something and are doing regular massive road trips, you are the minority that these vehicles still don't cater to.
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Now if I could just get my 6YO to stop fawning over them.
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I am shocked they sold as many of them as they did. I get that there are mindless fans, but this is quite an expensive and ugly commitment to make.
