Bad UX is keeping the majority of people away from Lemmy
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So my understanding from reading this (and other threads on Lemmy) is that:
-A majority of Lemmy users would rather the userbase remained small (in comparison to corporate social media and even compared to Mastodon).
-And a small but vocal minority wants to grow Lemmy to the point of being at least one of the choices, if not the de facto preferred alternative, on the mind of most Redditors who are sick of Reddit.
Is that accurate?
edit: formatting
The majority wants better UX (look at up vote ratio of comments)
A fair amount of users want to gatekeep lemmy to only tech savvy people.
BeCaUsE fUcK dUmB NoRmIeS WhO CaNt FiGuRe It OuT, iTs JuSt LiKe EmAiL
There's a lot of us who just want better on boarding and defaults, it's not a lot to ask.
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because the UX sucks for the vast majority of people.
No, it isn't.
The UX is fine. It's clean, fast, and functional. Anyone who is too fancy for "old Reddit" can stay on new Reddit with the bots and Xers. They'd just come over and be nothing but insufferable anyway.
o.oMultiple front ends and themes are available. In the end, we're here for the conversation, not fancy graphics, sounds, or CSS trash.
If someone can't get past picking a server or simple graphics, the likelyhood of them being any benefit here is minimal. The more is not always the merrier.
The UX is objectively bad, it breaks most good design principles
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That bar to entry is a good thing; it helps keep most of the stupid out. The same stupid that ruined the rest of the internet.
It doesn't keep dumb people out, it keeps non tech savvy people out, I've seen extremely immature people on here
I'd pick a mature user over a tech savvy user any day.
Ideally they'd be both -
It doesn't keep dumb people out, it keeps non tech savvy people out, I've seen extremely immature people on here
I'd pick a mature user over a tech savvy user any day.
Ideally they'd be bothit keeps non tech savvy people out,
Picking a server isn't a tech savvy person thing to do and it's a good idea to stop pretending like it is. My wife, who needs me to move her steam games to other drives for her, managed to do it without asking me a thing. Tech skill has nothing to do with it
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This reddit post likely has tens if not hundreds of thousands of views, look at the top comment.
Lemmy is losing so many potential new users because the UX sucks for the vast majority of people.
What can we do?
Has software usage really gotten to the point where the average person can't handle being given a choice about anything? Where it's just too much effort to do anything more than mindlessly click on whatever is presented to them?
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Why not keep your account to talk about Lemmy?
I don't think reddit admin will lift the suspension. So I can't post or comment. No point.
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New users get overwhelmed with decision fatigue, especially when they have average intelligence.
When selecting a federation, new users should be told:
"Because Lemmy isn't run by a large corporation, lots of small volunteers run Lemmy and run different copies of Lemmy at the same time. These different copies are called instances. You can choose 1 or just click the large red button and we'll randomly select one of the most popular instances for you. If you aren't sure what to choose, just press the button!"
Sorry, that's more than one sentence.
person you're saying that to: "So much words, very explaining!" runs away
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99% of users are going to check out when you ask which server they want to join
Although, I think the answer to the barrier to entry is to be less concerned with making federated services feel like centralized apps, more concerned with rebranding server select as the advantage that it actually is. Educate those people.
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The UX is objectively bad, it breaks most good design principles
So does old reddit but its also the only version of the site I find usable.
UX people can have absurdly lopsided priorities. -
Which communities were those?
League of legends back when I used to play.
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Has software usage really gotten to the point where the average person can't handle being given a choice about anything? Where it's just too much effort to do anything more than mindlessly click on whatever is presented to them?
Is there even a point to which one you pick? I just picked .kbin because I liked the UI, and when that fell apart I moved to .world mostly at random.
Is there really a large difference between them?
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The UX is objectively bad, it breaks most good design principles
Which of the seven primary UX design principles would you like to complain about?
Give me some details here.
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Why is “drama” on Lemmy always highly exaggerated by people?
“Endless wars of who federates with who”. What is that person even talking about and who the fuck would even care as a normal user?
It seems like Lemmy should offer really easy research data for people to back these claims up. Like just counting “Lemmy sucks” vs “Lemmy is awesome”
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Is there even a point to which one you pick? I just picked .kbin because I liked the UI, and when that fell apart I moved to .world mostly at random.
Is there really a large difference between them?
That's exactly what I did, lol. Kbin seemed intriguing but didn't last. I did try to look and get an idea about different lemmy instances but found very little info about any of them except for the 2 or 3 "infamous" ones, so I just went with .world, which seems fine to me.
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That would help if they had a clue which one was near them.
Default to "nearest" one?
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Has software usage really gotten to the point where the average person can't handle being given a choice about anything? Where it's just too much effort to do anything more than mindlessly click on whatever is presented to them?
Unfortunately yes. And there is no going back.
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This reddit post likely has tens if not hundreds of thousands of views, look at the top comment.
Lemmy is losing so many potential new users because the UX sucks for the vast majority of people.
What can we do?
There was a lot of debate about this when the reddit exodus happened in 2023. I initially joined then and have stuck around since. Something that was said a lot back then that I agree with is that Lemmy doesn't have to compete with reddit. It's alright for this corner of the internet to exist and not be the single dominant one.
If someone makes a reddit clone somewhere else with more liberal admins, good for them. I wouldn't be going there. The fact that Lemmy is sectioned into servers is part of the appeal. I'm glad that I can be part of a server with very progressive administration. I would never get this level of moderation and support from any other social media. I'm fine with that meaning that uninformed people who just want to doom-scroll are less likely to come here.
We have seen growth periods time and again when problems arise with private social media companies. Each time, a little more people from the initial wave join for good. I think that's fine. Most lemmy servers are run for free by people who just believe in what we're doing here. We can always add more servers, but we can't handle the kind of traffic that reddit handles. We're entirely dependent on dedicated people investing large amounts of their time to create and maintain these spaces for us.
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Is there even a point to which one you pick? I just picked .kbin because I liked the UI, and when that fell apart I moved to .world mostly at random.
Is there really a large difference between them?
I originally picked infosec but not too many communities were federated. Picked lemm.ee because it was easy to memorize and had a solid admin
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These things don't affect the average user (lurker) much at all. Ideally you just start with whatever instance and only move if you don't like it. A new user can't really know if an instance is bad or not before trying it.
(As long as there recommendation page doesn't give them an extremist instance)
Right, but that's the issue. It can give them an extremist instance and they join and get banned and never come back. The instance matters, and they know that intuitively, which is why they have choice paralysis in the first place. We should help them choose by providing information about each instance.
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A lot of disingenuous Lemmy users in that thread pretending that picking a server is more confusing than filing your taxes. I think join-lemmy should probably hot-list like 6 or 7 servers instead of making you choose via a primary interest, since you can migrate your account later anyway. But I am personally not tech oriented and managed to make an account and find an app without an issue.
Unless something has changed, migrating your account is more like copy/pasting config on a new account. Your post history etc however does not come with it. If that's something that matters to you then picking the "right" server matters a little bit.
For example lemmy.world has defederated from a bunch of instances (https://lemmy.world/instances)
Creating your account there means you're missing some of the full experience of Lemmy, for better or for worse.
A smaller instance may federate more content, but may run slower or worst case stop working entirely if the admin abandons it.I just used a handful of different servers over the course of a few weeks to see which was my ideal server.
