John Oliver promoted alternatives to big tech in last night's episode, including Mastodon and Pixelfed
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Content moderation primarily serves advertisers
I'm lost, here. Do you not think fighting toxicity and hate speech is a valid and important function of moderation that's just as much or more for the sake of the people as it might be for advertisers?
I think that it's just words & images on a screen that we could easily ignore like people did before, and people are indulging a grandiose conceit by thinking that moderation is that important or serves any greater cause than the interests of moderators.
On social media that seems to be to serve the consumers, by which I mean the advertisers & commercial interests who pay for the attention of users.
While the old internet approach of ignoring, gawking at the freakshow, or ridiculing/flaming toxic & hateful shit worked fine then resulting in many people disengaging, ragequitting, or going outside to do something better, that's not great for advertisers protecting their brand & wanting to keep people pliant & unchallenged as they stay engaged in their uncritical filter bubbles & echo chambers.With old internet, safety didn't wasn't internet nanny, thought police shit, and stop burning my virgin eyes & ears.
It was an anonymous handle, not revealing personally identifying information (a/s/l?), not falling for scams & giving out payment information (unless you're into that kinky shit).
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Bizarre that you and that other guy thought "will become the next Twitter" was some sort of praise. It's not.
I think it's more bizarre that you think "same corpo bullshit that Twitter is" is some kind of praise.
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I think it's more bizarre that you think "same corpo bullshit that Twitter is" is some kind of praise.
If you don't agree with the person above you, maybe don't start your comment with
I'm wondering this too.
Accusing people of being shills for commenting that bluesky is going to become (shitty) like twitter is out of pocket.
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If you've been sitting on making a post about your favorite instance, this could be a good opportunity to do so.
Going by our registration applications, a lot of people are learning about the fediverse for the first time and they're excited about the idea. I've really enjoyed reading through them
CIA. A rehash of the crypto ag strategy
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I think that it's just words & images on a screen that we could easily ignore like people did before, and people are indulging a grandiose conceit by thinking that moderation is that important or serves any greater cause than the interests of moderators.
On social media that seems to be to serve the consumers, by which I mean the advertisers & commercial interests who pay for the attention of users.
While the old internet approach of ignoring, gawking at the freakshow, or ridiculing/flaming toxic & hateful shit worked fine then resulting in many people disengaging, ragequitting, or going outside to do something better, that's not great for advertisers protecting their brand & wanting to keep people pliant & unchallenged as they stay engaged in their uncritical filter bubbles & echo chambers.With old internet, safety didn't wasn't internet nanny, thought police shit, and stop burning my virgin eyes & ears.
It was an anonymous handle, not revealing personally identifying information (a/s/l?), not falling for scams & giving out payment information (unless you're into that kinky shit).
Glad to see newer social media returning to some of that.Toxicity doesn't "work fine," it's contagious and destructive. For projects, it slows progress. For communities in general, it reinforces bad behavior and pushes out newcomers, leading to more negative spaces, isolation, and stagnation, just off the top of my head. These were issues in older communities just as they are in modern ones.
I don't see why we should abandon moderation for your benefit, at the expense of people who care.
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Signal has been questionable for years. The way it's been pushed hardly, and how Moxie is emeritus, while much more questionable people are in control, doesn't fill one with confidence, and does ring some alarm bells. The relative proximity to some in the US establishment should be enough to do that. And the way some have been designating anyone who questions Signal as "Russian Propaganda" and immediately deflecting about how Telegram is bad, is even more curious.
Frankly, I would trust something like Wire more than Signal. And there are other options too.
Ideally, something with good security/privacy and is fully P2P would become popular. But those apps/networks never make it mainstream, which is unfortunate.
louder for the people in the back.
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He has the most posts and comments on the Lemmy activity scoreboard.
That's a lot
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Signal has been questionable for years. The way it's been pushed hardly, and how Moxie is emeritus, while much more questionable people are in control, doesn't fill one with confidence, and does ring some alarm bells. The relative proximity to some in the US establishment should be enough to do that. And the way some have been designating anyone who questions Signal as "Russian Propaganda" and immediately deflecting about how Telegram is bad, is even more curious.
Frankly, I would trust something like Wire more than Signal. And there are other options too.
Ideally, something with good security/privacy and is fully P2P would become popular. But those apps/networks never make it mainstream, which is unfortunate.
There is a lot in here that I don't understand.
- What's wrong with Moxie? You mean it's weird he's an emeritus and not part of the board?
- What's "much more questionable" about the other people? From the descriptions on that page they all seem like standup people.
- Could you explain the "relative proximity to some in the US establishment" bit? That was too vague for me to grasp.
- "some have been designating anyone who questions Signal as 'Russian Propaganda' and immediately deflecting about how Telegram is bad, is even more curious." — Who has done this, you mean? And why exactly is it "curious"?
Honestly, there was nothing at all in there that I understood, due to how vague it all was. I would appreciate it if you or someone could fill me in here, because it's important to know who's driving this thing, and if the platform can be trusted. I just want to not go by some vague rumors before I make up my mind.
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Haha, yeah Cody has definitely made me cringe out of discomfort before. I haven't watched that guy in awhile! Appreciate the reminder. And Oliver can get close to that level too, for sure.
The recent Trump is going to hurt his voters video is pretty good.
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Would like to get my family on Signal. I deleted my facebook account and now we use various other chat apps that I don't quite like
My step dad actually got my family on signal YEARS ago and I will never be more thankful.
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Why bluesky instead of mastodon?
Are you just commenting how the people who use something like twitter are eager to be herded like sheep into the next walled garden?
When I said bluesky will be the next Twitter did I said Twitter is a good place. Twitter is now bullshit.
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The charm is why I keep coming back. Especially when it comes to the Lemmy Charm comments for lemmynsfw.com.
On Reddit I looked at so many posts on one day, on Lemmy I read like 2 posts but go in the comments much more often. Actually I look at more comments than posts, which I find better!
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https://www.piratewires.com/p/interview-with-jack-dorsey-mike-solana
thats how its creator feels too.
And here’s how and why it will be enshitified:
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CIA. A rehash of the crypto ag strategy
What do you mean?
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If you've been sitting on making a post about your favorite instance, this could be a good opportunity to do so.
Going by our registration applications, a lot of people are learning about the fediverse for the first time and they're excited about the idea. I've really enjoyed reading through them
Good boi
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Toxicity doesn't "work fine," it's contagious and destructive. For projects, it slows progress. For communities in general, it reinforces bad behavior and pushes out newcomers, leading to more negative spaces, isolation, and stagnation, just off the top of my head. These were issues in older communities just as they are in modern ones.
I don't see why we should abandon moderation for your benefit, at the expense of people who care.
For projects, it slows progress.
Your example of toxicity is linux maintainers resisting a newer programming language, not wanting to maintain additional bindings, and being stubborn about it?
People decide whether to work & agree with each other, so what's your definition of toxicity here?
How's moderation supposed to solve that: force people to agree & work together unwillingly?
Seems rather authoritarian.
People should only put words & images on a screen that someone approves?
More authoritarian.
And look at those imaginary problems we can solve!This goes back to the grandiose conceit I wrote about earlier: some people can't get over themselves, take these words & images on a screen a bit too seriously, and feel they know better than others the right words & images to put on a screen, because of course they do.
The rest of us know it's just a bunch of self-important crap that doesn't matter unless we make it matter, and we can ignore it or put our own words & images on a screen or go outside. -
I've never understood why people just can't send messages through text. Like why do they need a special app in order to do it.
I don't use Facebook myself and my family members just started texting me and honestly it's so much easier
Don't get me wrong, I definitely think that signal is more secure. I just don't understand why people just install another app in order to communicate with their family, just let them know you're available through text
SMS is a pain in the ass. iOS users aren't using SMS, they're using a proprietary system which is inaccessible to android users. Occasionally a 1-on-1 text works with RCS but it's janky
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SMS is a pain in the ass. iOS users aren't using SMS, they're using a proprietary system which is inaccessible to android users. Occasionally a 1-on-1 text works with RCS but it's janky
IOS has had native RCS since they launched IOS 18 back in like August/September-ish, I haven't had much issue with support from IOS to Android RCS side, but I'm not sure what my family in Florida use for their iphones, I expect older models might struggle. I have however had issues with communicating with my mom, but I believe it's because she doesn't understand that when she has RCS enabled, and she turns off data, it wants to try using RCS, then fails, and then falls-back to SMS, which for some reason Samsung Messages struggles with.
Personally speaking though, my S20 hasen't had any issues with RCS period, its always been other devices not actually sending proceeding to error and then the person not noticing it so therefore not retrying
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I think the uphill battle here is that a good amount of the active users on lemmy are probably very tech savvy. The percentage of us who aren’t, are doing it wrong in their eyes.
Fully Agree.
Mastodon, Lemmy and the likes are all enthusiast platforms in my eyes. Their primary userbase of the more savvy folk who are early adopters. I also believe it's why many don't fully get how complicated the fediverse really is to comprehend. To many the hurtles are just costs of being in the field/having a tech passion, hopefully it will be adopted but like, I still think the UI and general behavior and mechanics of it will be a fairly big roadblock.
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Well fuck the mastodonians their stupidity is no reason to make everyone else's experience shitter.
I would have put it in less harsh terms, but yes, basically this.
