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  • K [email protected]

    I think he was just intuitively good at seeing what exactly is the portrayal of electricity and magnetism. A unique genius with a certain insight.

    I sometimes feel that there were many businesses concerns that grew around his early research and they were so successful that his newer research must have been a threat to that.

    Through all the mystery, half-truths, and frankly magical thinking people have with this man, it's really hard to know what he was up to in his final days of work, before he became a homeless bag-man. I somehow feel, without making any kind of declarative statement, that he was working on transmission of energy with longitudinal (vs transverse) waves, and discovering methods of conveying and extracting electrical potential from and through Earth.

    Inline Edit: To expand on the above paragraph: The Earth doesn't really "absorb" electrons like a pillow absorbing a ping pong ball. The energy in the negative charges that the Earth grounds must move in waves, therefore they're grounded but now the waves are bouncing around in the Earth; that energy still exists and may sum with other waves in an additive way. I believe, again without making a declarative statement, that Tesla recognized this and was pioneering research on how to transmit energy via, and gather momentum from those waves. There were successes transmitting energy and encoded information through Earth which can be repeated today with garbage dump salvage electronics. I believe he was discovering a few dangerous things as well: Harmonic discharges of electrical devices to ground could be captured (think telecommunications and military); and he was conducting novel elemental research on tapping Earth to harmonize and extract force(s) - what these things portended led to his complete scientific alienation.

    The word "free energy" always obliterates any form of rational discourse. But there was something to it in a way, but to clarify, not in a literal way. Not in the sense of violating fundamental laws of conservation, rather seeing the "other side of the coin" that if the Earth is effectively infinite Ground then it's also effectively an "infinite" source of power if harvested.

    I've never really "researched" the man directly but what I do know comes from quite a bit of my casual STEM self-study over decades.

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    socially free, from a source nobody had ever even thought of, but not literally physically free. that is pretty fucking cool. I'll have to ask an EE about this sometime, and see how dumb they think I am.

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      Boo hoo, don't care. Hope they all lose their asses.

      especially the assholes that slap "I bought it before we knew Elon was an ass" style stickers on their cars.

      Musk has always been a miserable piece of shit. You just turned a blind eye to it because you wanted to hero worship a emotionally stunted perpetually 13 year old troglodyte, until you couldnt anymore.

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      • internetcitizen2@lemmy.worldI [email protected]

        Which only worked at first because they were a start up. At that point many people will accept the early adopter woes, but Tesla never quite matured out of it.

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        yep. They rested on their laurels, thinking their success of being first would always be success.

        and now the big automakers have their own electric cars, that are properly built, and damn cheap compared to tesla prices.

        and the first tesla musk had any design input on was the cybertruck, which is nothing more than the fever dream of an edgy emotionally stunted 13 year old, and built to about the same quality as you would expect from one

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        • a_random_idiot@lemmy.worldA [email protected]

          Boo hoo, don't care. Hope they all lose their asses.

          especially the assholes that slap "I bought it before we knew Elon was an ass" style stickers on their cars.

          Musk has always been a miserable piece of shit. You just turned a blind eye to it because you wanted to hero worship a emotionally stunted perpetually 13 year old troglodyte, until you couldnt anymore.

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          True to your username to just assume everyone who bought one turned a blind eye to him so they could have a hero to worship. Thats just a weird thing to say

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            socially free, from a source nobody had ever even thought of, but not literally physically free. that is pretty fucking cool. I'll have to ask an EE about this sometime, and see how dumb they think I am.

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            Careful. Most of what "we" are taught is complete horse-shit, or at the very least a severely simplified and perverted version of underlying reality. Many people, even those who work with electricity daily,are going to go cross-eyed hearing this notion. It requires real understanding I'm afraid.

            Edit, I mean you guys can downvote me all you want, but I've only spent 30 years doing this shit lol ... Remember, if you're going to talk to somebody that you hold in esteem re your unfamiliar topic of electromagnetism... Remember that they aren't holding pioneering knowledge in their minds... They're hooking up wires, checking voltages, plotting circuits, making sure telephone interference isn't present, and that's it. It doesn't matter how well versed one is in electronics or electricity, 99.99% chance ones's not thinking about these deeper subjects. I know a hell of a lot more than I let on and if you can't see that, you need help lol

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              True to your username to just assume everyone who bought one turned a blind eye to him so they could have a hero to worship. Thats just a weird thing to say

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              Yes yes, I'm sure thats what everyone that bought into his saviour of humanity bullshit 20 years ago with his electric cars and rockets is gonna say.

              Because the alternative is admitting wrong, and god forbid anyone do that. Why do that when you can blindly leap into the low hanging trap of my username.

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                Women are no longer able to get adequate medical care and my trans friends can no longer be their true selves. The family that runs the grocery store down the street is scared of anybody in a blue uniform. You're either willfully malicious or so uninformed that your opinion on it is useless.

                That you pretend to care and to be objective is a joke. We can all see exactly what you are.

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                Trans people can live however they choose to and people have been fighting over abortion since the 1970s. I dont understand how these qualify as examples of fascism? I understand you do not agree with the abortion ruling but how does it support your claim of living under a fascist government?

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                  Oh, I guess I meant over the hood

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                  Akshually it's called a frunk like anybody gives a shit.

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                  • a_random_idiot@lemmy.worldA [email protected]

                    Boo hoo, don't care. Hope they all lose their asses.

                    especially the assholes that slap "I bought it before we knew Elon was an ass" style stickers on their cars.

                    Musk has always been a miserable piece of shit. You just turned a blind eye to it because you wanted to hero worship a emotionally stunted perpetually 13 year old troglodyte, until you couldnt anymore.

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                    So you've never done business with a company who's CEO is an asshole? Never bought gas, used Windows, googled something, gotten on Facebook?

                    I knew full well this guy was an asshole. So is pretty much every CEO in America. You can't opt out, you can only choose which asshole you want to do business with. The holier-than-thou bullshit because Musk is the asshole of the day helps no one. If you buy oil at all, you're funding an industry that has lobbied governments around the world to buy more oil for literal generations, all while knowing the harm it was causing and the people it was killing and would kill.

                    It's cool that you've picked the Nazi you hate over the ones that had the good sense to stay home, but it's childish at best to think that makes you a better person.

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                      All your reasons were valid though. Teslas were the best electric cars for a long time, probably not so anymore. Tesla as a brand has done good things, like you say opening up their charging standard which is superior to all the other competitors.

                      Personally, I wouldn't get a Tesla because they are sort of like the apple of car companies, e.g. anti-consumer and anti-repair. Plus, Musk owning it is another big negative.

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                      Just like model ts were the best for a long time because they were the only ones.

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                        Now just block trump properties

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                        • ulrich@feddit.orgU [email protected]

                          Benefits of specifically Tesla is that they're dirt cheap comparatively, especially if you actually want a car and not some giant honking SUV or pickup truck. You can get a car with a 360+ mile range (3rd parties tested and got slightly more) for ~$35k after federal rebate. No one can compete with that and it's not even close.

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                          I can't argue with that, at least in the US that's always been a strength of their's.

                          I initially held the view that range was irrelevant if it's a massive battery but even on that score Tesla seemed to be ahead of the game for a long time on the efficiency (miles per kw). Not sure if the market has caught up as I'm not at that end of the food chain so speak.

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                            Boo hoo, don't care. Hope they all lose their asses.

                            especially the assholes that slap "I bought it before we knew Elon was an ass" style stickers on their cars.

                            Musk has always been a miserable piece of shit. You just turned a blind eye to it because you wanted to hero worship a emotionally stunted perpetually 13 year old troglodyte, until you couldnt anymore.

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                            The irony of someone calling other people 13 year olds during the most 13 year old take I've ever heard lol.

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                              I can't argue with that, at least in the US that's always been a strength of their's.

                              I initially held the view that range was irrelevant if it's a massive battery but even on that score Tesla seemed to be ahead of the game for a long time on the efficiency (miles per kw). Not sure if the market has caught up as I'm not at that end of the food chain so speak.

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                              Tesla seemed to be ahead of the game for a long time on the efficiency

                              Yes, the Model 3 is pretty much the most efficient vehicle you can buy (next to a Lucid)

                              I initially held the view that range was irrelevant if it's a massive battery

                              The efficiency is actually WHY it's so inexpensive (less money spent on batteries, which comprise a huge portion of their cost) and WHY it drives me absolutely bonkers that the only EVs anyone wants to make anymore are fucking Tonka trucks.

                              They're also ahead of just about everyone in terms of their charging network.

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                                What do you want to have happen? The car exists and is in an owner's hands already. Elon doesn't make any more money no matter if they sell it or not. It's environmental waste to simply scrap it. What are the options, here?

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                                Elon doesn't make any more money no matter if they sell it or not.

                                Elon has the large part of his fortune tied to the future of Telsa, which is 90% selling cars. If no-one buys those cars, and if the second hand market is seen to be almost worthless, then the fortune and Elon's power disappears.

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                                  I'll have to be honest and admit back when I was in high school or so, I was enthusiastic about electric cars and his seemed like some of the best. He was also opening up the charging standards so that there could be a mixed playing field. Back then, I was likely ready to dismiss small critiques as the retaliation of the fossil fuel industry.

                                  God I hate old me.

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                                  Tesla was a long way ahead of the competition for a very long time, to the point where they were the only option for a vehicle that was genuinely a replacement for a combustion vehicle.

                                  Without them, I very much doubt EV market share would be anywhere near what it is today.

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                                    Considered by fucking who? lmao jesus christ, it's also not hard to figure out Elon has been a Nazi for a long while

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                                    Your weird attempts at gaslighting aren't working dude

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                                    • lustyargonianmana@lemmy.worldL [email protected]

                                      https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/nikola-tesla-the-eugenicist-eliminating-undesirables-by-2100-130299355/

                                      The year 2100 will see eugenics universally established. In past ages, the law governing the survival of the fittest roughly weeded out the less desirable strains. Then man’s new sense of pity began to interfere with the ruthless workings of nature. As a result, we continue to keep alive and to breed the unfit. The only method compatible with our notions of civilization and the race is to prevent the breeding of the unfit by sterilization and the deliberate guidance of the mating instinct. Several European countries and a number of states of the American Union sterilize the criminal and the insane. This is not sufficient. The trend of opinion among eugenists is that we must make marriage more difficult. Certainly no one who is not a desirable parent should be permitted to produce progeny. A century from now it will no more occur to a normal person to mate with a person eugenically unfit than to marry a habitual criminal.

                                      Oof, that's a tough read.

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                                      I have read a number of comments from people with illnesses or other issues that are genetic, saying they don't want to pass their problems onto the next generation.

                                      So, bizarrely enough, there is a certain amount of eugenics happening, it's just purely voluntary.

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                                        What do you want to have happen? The car exists and is in an owner's hands already. Elon doesn't make any more money no matter if they sell it or not. It's environmental waste to simply scrap it. What are the options, here?

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                                        If they use the Supercharger network, or get the vehicle serviced by Tesla, then they're making money still.

                                        But, the right thing to do is to keep running the vehicle, you're right about that.

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                                          Our team will handle all the paperwork and finer details of filing insurance claims and police reports to provide you a smooth transition of ownership and plausible deniability.

                                          That should be higher up on the page, since that'd be the primary value of that service.

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                                          It's also the point where it's blindingly obvious the site is a joke, so I do think it's best saved for last.

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