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  • lustyargonianmana@lemmy.worldL [email protected]

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/nikola-tesla-the-eugenicist-eliminating-undesirables-by-2100-130299355/

    The year 2100 will see eugenics universally established. In past ages, the law governing the survival of the fittest roughly weeded out the less desirable strains. Then man’s new sense of pity began to interfere with the ruthless workings of nature. As a result, we continue to keep alive and to breed the unfit. The only method compatible with our notions of civilization and the race is to prevent the breeding of the unfit by sterilization and the deliberate guidance of the mating instinct. Several European countries and a number of states of the American Union sterilize the criminal and the insane. This is not sufficient. The trend of opinion among eugenists is that we must make marriage more difficult. Certainly no one who is not a desirable parent should be permitted to produce progeny. A century from now it will no more occur to a normal person to mate with a person eugenically unfit than to marry a habitual criminal.

    Oof, that's a tough read.

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    I have read a number of comments from people with illnesses or other issues that are genetic, saying they don't want to pass their problems onto the next generation.

    So, bizarrely enough, there is a certain amount of eugenics happening, it's just purely voluntary.

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      What do you want to have happen? The car exists and is in an owner's hands already. Elon doesn't make any more money no matter if they sell it or not. It's environmental waste to simply scrap it. What are the options, here?

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      If they use the Supercharger network, or get the vehicle serviced by Tesla, then they're making money still.

      But, the right thing to do is to keep running the vehicle, you're right about that.

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        Our team will handle all the paperwork and finer details of filing insurance claims and police reports to provide you a smooth transition of ownership and plausible deniability.

        That should be higher up on the page, since that'd be the primary value of that service.

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        It's also the point where it's blindingly obvious the site is a joke, so I do think it's best saved for last.

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          I hope they lose money because they bought a 1939 Volkswagan with an electric motor on it, and then claimed

          Well how was I meant to know the man who lives on the internet 24/7 and can't shut up about his opinions of women, non-whites, fascism, lgbt, and lies like he needs his pants to be warm for the winter, was somehow a bad guy? I bought a cool sticker, so I'm absolved of giving him any money :^)

          These people bought them because they thought he was a real life Tony Stark, especially the early models and Cybertrucks. I consider everyone driving in one a useful idiot for Trump and Musk.

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            I reckon the Mazda badge is a good call as the tesla 3 has the vibe of a Mazda I think.

            I rmemeber rocking up to guys place to buy a sofa and his mum was there, I said I really liked her Hyundai Coupe and she said it wasn't one as she'd got different badges on it. Found it so funny that it was a nice looking car at the time but she clearly couldn't cope with the idea of owning a Hyundai

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            There's a lot of cars where even a car nut wouldn't pick they'd been badge swapped.

            Most hatchbacks you can only tell apart by the shape of the lights.

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              With as strong and emotional you seem to feel about this topic, I sincerely hope you have never used an iPhone, used Facebook, bought a product off Amazon, taken an Uber ride, or consumed any Nestle products.

              If you've eaten a single hot pocket, you have no ground to stand on here.

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                Boo hoo, don't care. Hope they all lose their asses.

                especially the assholes that slap "I bought it before we knew Elon was an ass" style stickers on their cars.

                Musk has always been a miserable piece of shit. You just turned a blind eye to it because you wanted to hero worship a emotionally stunted perpetually 13 year old troglodyte, until you couldnt anymore.

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                I also remember the hero worship in 2015-20ish, even when projects like Hyperloop and countless others were a well known scam. I worked in top tech and their product team worshipped him, they hated me after I tried expressing skepticism. These people probably think he's nuts in 2025, but also say "that wasn't a Nazi salute, stop overreacting".

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                  what you expect from temupanzers

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                  • reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.comR [email protected]

                    So, I'm using IronFox on Android with uBlock Origin on medium mode. Not an ad or other problem to be seen on that site. On Windows I use LibreWolf with the same uBlock setup.

                    These are aggressive setups that can break some sites, but after a while of tweaking it carefully you don't notice it's there anymore.

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                    oh yea too many adblocking or cookie blocking can break the site. so i just restrict some adblockers .

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                    • S [email protected]

                      a cultivated image of Musk as a Thomas Edison or Tony Stark type

                      LMAO! See Tony Stark blow Musk off like a loser in Iron Man II:

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oxe1HCR7uEk

                      I'd be humiliated were I him. His head's so far up his ass he likely sees that cameo as a plus.

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                      thats why hes been called phoney stark, for a while his profile has him wearing the ironman outfit.

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                        All your reasons were valid though. Teslas were the best electric cars for a long time, probably not so anymore. Tesla as a brand has done good things, like you say opening up their charging standard which is superior to all the other competitors.

                        Personally, I wouldn't get a Tesla because they are sort of like the apple of car companies, e.g. anti-consumer and anti-repair. Plus, Musk owning it is another big negative.

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                        tesla just had good marketing, while thier TESLAS have been lacking QC for quite a while.

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                          I know this the unpopular opinion at the moment, but what electric sedan is better than a model 3? The rest of the producers have all decided we want to drive crossovers or boxes and simply cannot figure out how to make a frunk.

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                          • lustyargonianmana@lemmy.worldL [email protected]

                            You're always supposed to hate or be embarrassed by the old you; that means you learned. It means growth. It's a good thing.

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                            Take it from an old man, at a certain point you will grow beyond having to feel "embarassed" by your former self, because your ego won't be tied to it.

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                              That's nice not everyone payed that close attention, they got sold a car and are now stuck with a shitty reputation by association.
                              Some people are afraid to drive their car because they'll get harassed by people who can only see telsa driver = musk supporter.

                              You could blame the buyers for their ignorance,
                              but its pretty normal to have no clue who the CEO/owner is of whatever car brand you buy. How many can name 1 beside Musk or Henry Ford?

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                              Henry Ford was a huge nazi as well.

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                                Hell yeah, I’ve been wanting a model 3 for years. Glad politics will bring that dream to a reality 😀 lets go electric vehicles!!! One less gas guzzler on the road.

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                                  Tesla was a long way ahead of the competition for a very long time, to the point where they were the only option for a vehicle that was genuinely a replacement for a combustion vehicle.

                                  Without them, I very much doubt EV market share would be anywhere near what it is today.

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                                  I'm not sure how it even managed to get so big when the EV1 was so beloved but supposedly killed by the automotive industry.

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                                    I have read a number of comments from people with illnesses or other issues that are genetic, saying they don't want to pass their problems onto the next generation.

                                    So, bizarrely enough, there is a certain amount of eugenics happening, it's just purely voluntary.

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                                    Kind of me, I have a genetic heart defect I don't intent to pass on. Though realistically, it was unlikely to happen in the first place.

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                                      I love that comic, but it's unfortunately not applicable to this conversation. If anything, it's more applicable in response to @MellowYellow13.

                                      This person is clearly being overly reactive to the situation and isn't listening to reason. By all means, don't buy a Tesla in the year of our lord 2025, but if you bought one in like 2019, that's kind of irrelevant. Those people shouldn't be punished for what they saw as an innocuous purchase at the time. To tell people they just straight up need to sell their car is asinine.

                                      I'm not saying "omg you participate in society, you're just as bad", moreso pointing out how absolutely ridiculous @MellowYellow13 's platform here is. Things that have already been done are irrelevant, let's look to the future to improve things, no? If you've bought a Tesla in the past, it does not matter, just as if you've bought an iPhone, used Facebook, etc.

                                      You completely missed my message.

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                                        While it's nice to protest outside of the Tesla dealership, people should be protesting outside of US embassies, and while they are at it, protest outside of the Chinese and Russian embassies too. Block them in.

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                                          im saying you can't really judge a non-expert for being the kind of shitty guy that was in vogue to be shitty at the time, especially if it's not a primary thing. nicola tesla doing a eugenics? yeah whatever. his approximate contemporary, margaret sanger, you can give a lot more shit on the topic, because she was a fucking doctor.

                                          this doesn't just apply to history! as someone who has generally been on the right side of history, I have lived through this. several times. A current example, aside from the obvious nazi shit and transphobia, would be the whole push to equate large language models with "AI" and orient all of our society's productive capacity towards making them like we're a giant god damn paperclip machine. I can't give any lay person who was into the tech in 2023 too terribly much shit about it-but if you were in any sort of information science, math, IT, or neuro-anything, and you were in favor of how it was being pushed for more than five minutes, I will mock you mercilessly until the day one of us dies, and then if it was you, ill graffiti the mockery on your fucking grave.

                                          how strongly was he in favor of eugenics? did he have any ability to push the needle? did he care emotionally, or was it just a quick glance 'yeah that sounds close enough and I trust the experts. anyway, back to stuff I actually care about' kind of opinion?

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                                          It's not about "judging," it's about not feeling sorry for Tesla's name being attached to a shitty eugenicist since he himself was a eugenicist

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