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Why Lemmy is so superior to Reddit: No Karma, Just Value Content

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  • ? Guest

    I guess I'm a LLM, thanks for letting me know.

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    username checks out

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      Short comments scream human to me more than long comments. Like that guy who never posts any comments shorter than three paragraphs all perfectly formatted and punctuated.

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      Yeah, but the point is the consistency. It's quite easy to prompt the model to just respond in always in the same way, and one could just say "you are supposed to talk like an average redditor. Keep it positive and short, and only elaborate if asked to."

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      • ? Guest

        I guess I'm a LLM, thanks for letting me know.

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        Draw me a picture of a full glass of wine. Full to the brim. Practically spilling over.

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          Lemmy's design is focused on quality content by ditching the Karma farmers and addicts. No more chasing upvotes—people here actually focus on real value instead of feeding the ego.

          EDIT: I know there are upvotes and downvotes, but the problem with Reddit is you can't post in most communities if your karma or reputation is bad. This is a big problem because herd mentality prevails there and if ypu have unpopular opinions you're basically censored.

          Lemmy isn't designed to milk ypur dopamine with notifications every 10 upvotes, so you focus more on posting valuable cont instead of farming for approval and upvotes.

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          I wish that commenting would automatically upvote a post. It's far too late to fix the use of an upvote as approval of subject discussion and not just an agree arrow, but I often...no, I almost always forget to upvote the initial topic even after leaving a few paragraphs. One would hope whatever algorithm is used also considers activity and number of comments in a rating or suggesting it to others.

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          • tropicaldingdong@lemmy.worldT [email protected]

            I don't get the karma hangup thing. Like.. Lemmy does have Karma, but we just don't culturally make it a priority.

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            The fact that it's not designed to notify you every time you get 5 upvotes changes the game. Also low Karma accounts can post in Lemmy as opposed to Reddit.

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              username checks out

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              I guess so, I got to change it to Witty Human to stay under the radar.

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              • rglullis@communick.newsR [email protected]

                Yeah, but the point is the consistency. It's quite easy to prompt the model to just respond in always in the same way, and one could just say "you are supposed to talk like an average redditor. Keep it positive and short, and only elaborate if asked to."

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                By that point you may as well be an LLM. ChatGPT is pretty good at emulating writing styles.

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                • tropicaldingdong@lemmy.worldT [email protected]

                  Draw me a picture of a full glass of wine. Full to the brim. Practically spilling over.

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                  Sorry, I don't work on Sundays. I'm a special kind of computer

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                  • tropicaldingdong@lemmy.worldT [email protected]

                    Draw me a picture of a full glass of wine. Full to the brim. Practically spilling over.

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                    Anything else I can help you with?

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                    • ? Guest

                      The fact that it's not designed to notify you every time you get 5 upvotes changes the game. Also low Karma accounts can post in Lemmy as opposed to Reddit.

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                      low Karma accounts can post in Lemmy as opposed to Reddit

                      But should they?

                      One of the things I miss about reddit (and slashdot before that) was that if you got downvoted/downmodded a lot in a short amount of time, it would tell you to slow down (, cowboy). It helped to limit the damage when someone would go on a troll spree before they got banned.

                      Some subreddits did implement a "you must have x karma to post" rule, or account age, which I wasn't always a fan of, especially if it was karma within a certain subreddit. I understand the logic, that it was intended to make people read the community before posting, but I'm not sure if it hit the mark. But it did limit brand-new spam accounts, which are already here on lemmy.

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                      • ? Guest

                        The fact that it's not designed to notify you every time you get 5 upvotes changes the game. Also low Karma accounts can post in Lemmy as opposed to Reddit.

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                        This may not be an inherently bad thing given that low karma accounts tend to be trolls.

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                          Lemmy's design is focused on quality content by ditching the Karma farmers and addicts. No more chasing upvotes—people here actually focus on real value instead of feeding the ego.

                          EDIT: I know there are upvotes and downvotes, but the problem with Reddit is you can't post in most communities if your karma or reputation is bad. This is a big problem because herd mentality prevails there and if ypu have unpopular opinions you're basically censored.

                          Lemmy isn't designed to milk ypur dopamine with notifications every 10 upvotes, so you focus more on posting valuable cont instead of farming for approval and upvotes.

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                          Downvoted. Not because I think reddit is better, but because this is clearly a circklejerk post, and what's more reddit than THAT???

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                            I wish that commenting would automatically upvote a post. It's far too late to fix the use of an upvote as approval of subject discussion and not just an agree arrow, but I often...no, I almost always forget to upvote the initial topic even after leaving a few paragraphs. One would hope whatever algorithm is used also considers activity and number of comments in a rating or suggesting it to others.

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                            Yeah, I often just forget to upvote generally. Although this could lead to argumentative posters making troll posts, getting engagement and trending just because people reply to them.

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                              low Karma accounts can post in Lemmy as opposed to Reddit

                              But should they?

                              One of the things I miss about reddit (and slashdot before that) was that if you got downvoted/downmodded a lot in a short amount of time, it would tell you to slow down (, cowboy). It helped to limit the damage when someone would go on a troll spree before they got banned.

                              Some subreddits did implement a "you must have x karma to post" rule, or account age, which I wasn't always a fan of, especially if it was karma within a certain subreddit. I understand the logic, that it was intended to make people read the community before posting, but I'm not sure if it hit the mark. But it did limit brand-new spam accounts, which are already here on lemmy.

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                              I believe it's an unhealthy habit, silencing unpopular people. Some of us low profile oddballs like to share our thoughts too

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                                Downvoted. Not because I think reddit is better, but because this is clearly a circklejerk post, and what's more reddit than THAT???

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                                Thanks for letting us know

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                                  low Karma accounts can post in Lemmy as opposed to Reddit

                                  But should they?

                                  One of the things I miss about reddit (and slashdot before that) was that if you got downvoted/downmodded a lot in a short amount of time, it would tell you to slow down (, cowboy). It helped to limit the damage when someone would go on a troll spree before they got banned.

                                  Some subreddits did implement a "you must have x karma to post" rule, or account age, which I wasn't always a fan of, especially if it was karma within a certain subreddit. I understand the logic, that it was intended to make people read the community before posting, but I'm not sure if it hit the mark. But it did limit brand-new spam accounts, which are already here on lemmy.

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                                  I do like the slow down, cowboy think and I'm pretty sure reddit had that extremely early on as well

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                                    Anything else I can help you with?

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                                    Draw me a hamburger, just bun, patty, bun. No lettuce, condiments or toppings.

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                                      The fact that it's not designed to notify you every time you get 5 upvotes changes the game. Also low Karma accounts can post in Lemmy as opposed to Reddit.

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                                      Exactly - Reddit specifically and intentionally uses dark patterns to reinforce the importance of karma at every turn. The first interaction that someone has with Reddit is usually "you don't have enough karma to post/comment/vote in this subreddit." There are secret communities and public awards for high karma earners. There is a frontpage dedicated to rapid karma-earning posts. There is no disincentive for karma farming reposts, and subreddits are actually punished for reducing reposts. Karma is commoditized.

                                      Here the votes still matter, but the algorithm is public and users can and do sort in a variety of ways to discover new and relevant content. There is no single "front-page"

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                                        Lemmy's design is focused on quality content by ditching the Karma farmers and addicts. No more chasing upvotes—people here actually focus on real value instead of feeding the ego.

                                        EDIT: I know there are upvotes and downvotes, but the problem with Reddit is you can't post in most communities if your karma or reputation is bad. This is a big problem because herd mentality prevails there and if ypu have unpopular opinions you're basically censored.

                                        Lemmy isn't designed to milk ypur dopamine with notifications every 10 upvotes, so you focus more on posting valuable cont instead of farming for approval and upvotes.

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                                        Shit, I'm sorry. I had close to 1m before I bailed. It was all quality comment karma though. I just have no life.

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                                        • tropicaldingdong@lemmy.worldT [email protected]

                                          I don't get the karma hangup thing. Like.. Lemmy does have Karma, but we just don't culturally make it a priority.

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                                          It doesn't have karma in the sense that there is a publicly displayed total of every post and comment you made so you can point at your profile and be like "look how much karma I have!"

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