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Why Lemmy is so superior to Reddit: No Karma, Just Value Content

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    Lemmy's design is focused on quality content by ditching the Karma farmers and addicts. No more chasing upvotes—people here actually focus on real value instead of feeding the ego.

    EDIT: I know there are upvotes and downvotes, but the problem with Reddit is you can't post in most communities if your karma or reputation is bad. This is a big problem because herd mentality prevails there and if ypu have unpopular opinions you're basically censored.

    Lemmy isn't designed to milk ypur dopamine with notifications every 10 upvotes, so you focus more on posting valuable cont instead of farming for approval and upvotes.

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    Just don’t be a woman on Lemmy.

    Sure, most people won’t downvote or harass you just for being a woman (a lot will.. we didn’t get the best of Reddit at all, and I doubt the new adoptees are any better…) but they will often enough make things difficult even if they aren’t actively causing problems.

    But men of Lemmy (aka the vast majority of the user base since they ran off all the womenfolk) don’t care. They see that as quality control or some dumb shit, because THEY aren’t interested in woman things, so nobody should be, or they think their “as a man” comments should be important or some shit... Whatever the post is about. If it doesn’t cater to them, it can fuck right off.

    Which is why cis women make up <10% of the Lemmy side of the fediverse. It’s a disaster for women here.

    But I wonder how long you’ve been here. Most of the posts of this nature are from very new accounts and they don’t know the problems yet…

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    • emmie@lemm.eeE [email protected]

      Seeking validation apparently is core human trait so I am not sure if it is possible to avoid it at all. Still as you probably know social media corporations keep us hooked to their crack using it and amplifying the base value

      Funnily, ironically some Lemmy apps copy Reddit UX (that was designed by psychology experts) and thus make it more addictive than it is on the web app.

      Best bet to avoid social candy crack is to use lemmy from terminal if that is possible, or default site

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      I would imagine if you made karma points limited on the spender side rather than unlimited, then it might make users “try harder” to get validation, thus improving the quality of content on average.

      Or it all could be bullshit and fail. Hard to say. You are right though, it’s all manufactured for engagement.

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      • fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.comF [email protected]

        Yeah, lemmy suffers a lot of from this. Too many posts that try to just make the front page, too many popular communities that dominate c/all. I've even had a friend quit over this.

        I genuinely miss communities about games, linguistics and niche hobbies - they just aren't as popular as news/politics/general memes and that. I do try to post them as much as i can, but since they're niche there's only so much content you can find.

        I'd love for the frontpage to have some [optional, ofc] changes that encourage more of this type of content.

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        Yeah, but in this day and age we’re going to grow with easy-to-consume content e.g. memes. Once growth hits a critical mass then the niche communities will come.

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          There are upvotes and downvotes and they do have some use gauging that content IMO

          That being said, without the corporate structure and profit motive to produce a monetizing algo that encourages others to game it to further their own monetizing goals....it's SIGNIFICANTLY better

          Up/Down votes aren't inherently bad, Reddit and other corporate platforms corrupt it with their profit chasing

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          Well, I kind of disagree with the up/down votes being inherently bad, as they more front-load early posting rather than accurate posting. Meaning early engagement is likely to have higher upvotes rather than engagement which is factual and well thought out. This incentivizes much more emotional and meme posting.

          I’ve seen it happen time and time again on Reddit and even here: someone makes post, bunch of people react only to the headline, or spread misinformation, and by the time nuanced posts and thought out posts are made, engagement has plummeted and people have moved on to the next thing.

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            I would imagine if you made karma points limited on the spender side rather than unlimited, then it might make users “try harder” to get validation, thus improving the quality of content on average.

            Or it all could be bullshit and fail. Hard to say. You are right though, it’s all manufactured for engagement.

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            The problem I think is that users do not distribute votes based on “quality” but by how much they like the content. Which is only the same in some people

            It’s the same as with democracy, in theory we should elect quality politicians but we elect those we like

            But hey this is long clear I guess since the implementation of Reddit decade ago

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            • fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.comF [email protected]

              I'll try, thank you 🙂

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              urwelcom

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                Just don’t be a woman on Lemmy.

                Sure, most people won’t downvote or harass you just for being a woman (a lot will.. we didn’t get the best of Reddit at all, and I doubt the new adoptees are any better…) but they will often enough make things difficult even if they aren’t actively causing problems.

                But men of Lemmy (aka the vast majority of the user base since they ran off all the womenfolk) don’t care. They see that as quality control or some dumb shit, because THEY aren’t interested in woman things, so nobody should be, or they think their “as a man” comments should be important or some shit... Whatever the post is about. If it doesn’t cater to them, it can fuck right off.

                Which is why cis women make up <10% of the Lemmy side of the fediverse. It’s a disaster for women here.

                But I wonder how long you’ve been here. Most of the posts of this nature are from very new accounts and they don’t know the problems yet…

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                Is this really the case? I find this unexpected. Lemmy seems to be friendly to the LGBTQ people, namely trans.

                If what you say is true, we should probably address it somehow.

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                  No, it was only up or down, but you could also choose to add a descriptor, funny, insightful, informative, flamebait, troll, and a few others: https://slashdot.org/faq#meta3

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                  Right, thanks. Still a super useful system, IMO, though I'm sure better versions are possible.

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                    Checks out

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                    What is this ‘evil’ flair stuff please do tell

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                    • ? Guest

                      Lemmy's design is focused on quality content by ditching the Karma farmers and addicts. No more chasing upvotes—people here actually focus on real value instead of feeding the ego.

                      EDIT: I know there are upvotes and downvotes, but the problem with Reddit is you can't post in most communities if your karma or reputation is bad. This is a big problem because herd mentality prevails there and if ypu have unpopular opinions you're basically censored.

                      Lemmy isn't designed to milk ypur dopamine with notifications every 10 upvotes, so you focus more on posting valuable cont instead of farming for approval and upvotes.

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                      Oh my sweet summer child. EVERY new service and SocMed site starts out like this. Fresh, fun, and working properly. Until the masses show up. That's when it goes to shit.

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                        Last one seems not to exist.

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                        Beehaw is quite toxic and for that reason, lemmy.world is not federated. I expect an angry swarm of people from Beehaw to send me death threats now to prove how untoxic they are.

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                        • ddash@lemmy.dbzer0.comD [email protected]

                          Can you explain what you mean with farming upvotes makes sense? There is no part of the algorithm that takes into account how many upvotes the OP recently got, or is there?

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                          I think they meant on a post-by-post basis. You can't farm account karma, but you can farm upvotes on individual posts, for ego, I guess...

                          There is the vibe-check on Lemmy, though. I don't believe the algorithm takes that into account.

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                            Just don’t be a woman on Lemmy.

                            Sure, most people won’t downvote or harass you just for being a woman (a lot will.. we didn’t get the best of Reddit at all, and I doubt the new adoptees are any better…) but they will often enough make things difficult even if they aren’t actively causing problems.

                            But men of Lemmy (aka the vast majority of the user base since they ran off all the womenfolk) don’t care. They see that as quality control or some dumb shit, because THEY aren’t interested in woman things, so nobody should be, or they think their “as a man” comments should be important or some shit... Whatever the post is about. If it doesn’t cater to them, it can fuck right off.

                            Which is why cis women make up <10% of the Lemmy side of the fediverse. It’s a disaster for women here.

                            But I wonder how long you’ve been here. Most of the posts of this nature are from very new accounts and they don’t know the problems yet…

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                            Any examples of this? It sounds terrible and should be addressed.

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                            • semi_hemi_demigod@lemmy.worldS [email protected]

                              One feature I liked about Kbin was that my own comments weren’t upvoted automatically

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                              Why the past tense? Is Kbin dead?

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                                Lemmy still relies on upvotes for ranking the feed, so, farming them makes sense, it's just isolated per each post.

                                And I believe the issue might get worse as Lemmy grows. The reason Reddit came up with karma and all that is because the more people you have on your platform, the more baddies you have to account for.

                                For now, Lemmy is small enough for a basic interpersonal reputation to mostly just work, but as it grows, we need something else. Presumably, not karma.

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                                Piefed implements an "attitude" system which tracks up vote ratio and a few other simple metrics mods can use to identify bad actors

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                                  Lemmy's design is focused on quality content by ditching the Karma farmers and addicts. No more chasing upvotes—people here actually focus on real value instead of feeding the ego.

                                  EDIT: I know there are upvotes and downvotes, but the problem with Reddit is you can't post in most communities if your karma or reputation is bad. This is a big problem because herd mentality prevails there and if ypu have unpopular opinions you're basically censored.

                                  Lemmy isn't designed to milk ypur dopamine with notifications every 10 upvotes, so you focus more on posting valuable cont instead of farming for approval and upvotes.

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                                  "Karma" is just a counter of a user's recieved votes. It still exists on lemmy, most clients just choose to not display it.

                                  Also where is this "value content" supposed to be?

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                                    Lemmy's design is focused on quality content by ditching the Karma farmers and addicts. No more chasing upvotes—people here actually focus on real value instead of feeding the ego.

                                    EDIT: I know there are upvotes and downvotes, but the problem with Reddit is you can't post in most communities if your karma or reputation is bad. This is a big problem because herd mentality prevails there and if ypu have unpopular opinions you're basically censored.

                                    Lemmy isn't designed to milk ypur dopamine with notifications every 10 upvotes, so you focus more on posting valuable cont instead of farming for approval and upvotes.

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                                    That’s right! I said good shit in tech posts that was worth upvoting so others can see. Then there was an bad comment I wrote in patientgaming that deserved the downvotes and not worth reading.

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                                      Lemmy still relies on upvotes for ranking the feed, so, farming them makes sense, it's just isolated per each post.

                                      And I believe the issue might get worse as Lemmy grows. The reason Reddit came up with karma and all that is because the more people you have on your platform, the more baddies you have to account for.

                                      For now, Lemmy is small enough for a basic interpersonal reputation to mostly just work, but as it grows, we need something else. Presumably, not karma.

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                                      There's multiple sorting types that you can choose for your feed. How do you want your content ordered?

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                                        Oh my sweet summer child. EVERY new service and SocMed site starts out like this. Fresh, fun, and working properly. Until the masses show up. That's when it goes to shit.

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                                        Yep, it's just a matter of time till karma system is getting implemented on here too

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                                          Piefed implements an "attitude" system which tracks up vote ratio and a few other simple metrics mods can use to identify bad actors

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                                          Nice!
                                          The more I hear about Piefed, the more I am inclined to check it out

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