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Brian Eno: “The biggest problem about AI is not intrinsic to AI. It’s to do with the fact that it’s owned by the same few people”

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      Truer words have never been said.

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        The biggest problem with AI is that they're illegally harvesting everything they can possibly get their hands on to feed it, they're forcing it into places where people have explicitly said they don't want it, and they're sucking up massive amounts of energy AMD water to create it, undoing everyone else's progress in reducing energy use, and raising prices for everyone else at the same time.

        Oh, and it also hallucinates.

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          I’d say the biggest problem with AI is that it’s being treated as a tool to displace workers, but there is no system in place to make sure that that “value” (I’m not convinced commercial AI has done anything valuable) created by AI is redistributed to the workers that it has displaced.

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            No?

            Anyone can run an AI even on the weakest hardware there are plenty of small open models for this.

            Training an AI requires very strong hardware, however this is not an impossible hurdle as the models on hugging face show.

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              The biggest problem with AI is that it’s the brut force solution to complex problems.

              Instead of trying to figure out what’s the most power efficient algorithm to do artificial analysis, they just threw more data and power at it.

              Besides the fact of how often it’s wrong, by definition, it won’t ever be as accurate nor efficient as doing actual thinking.

              It’s the solution you come up with the last day before the project is due cause you know it will technically pass and you’ll get a C.

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                I’d say the biggest problem with AI is that it’s being treated as a tool to displace workers, but there is no system in place to make sure that that “value” (I’m not convinced commercial AI has done anything valuable) created by AI is redistributed to the workers that it has displaced.

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                Welcome to every technological advancement ever applied to the workforce

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                  Idk if it’s the biggest problem, but it’s probably top three.

                  Other problems could include:

                  • Power usage
                  • Adding noise to our communication channels
                  • AGI fears if you buy that (I don’t personally)
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                    No?

                    Anyone can run an AI even on the weakest hardware there are plenty of small open models for this.

                    Training an AI requires very strong hardware, however this is not an impossible hurdle as the models on hugging face show.

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                    But the people with the money for the hardware are the ones training it to put more money in their pockets. That's mostly what it's being trained to do: make rich people richer.

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                      No?

                      Anyone can run an AI even on the weakest hardware there are plenty of small open models for this.

                      Training an AI requires very strong hardware, however this is not an impossible hurdle as the models on hugging face show.

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                      But the people with the money for the hardware are the ones training it to put more money in their pockets. That's mostly what it's being trained to do: make rich people richer.

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                        The biggest problem with AI is that they're illegally harvesting everything they can possibly get their hands on to feed it, they're forcing it into places where people have explicitly said they don't want it, and they're sucking up massive amounts of energy AMD water to create it, undoing everyone else's progress in reducing energy use, and raising prices for everyone else at the same time.

                        Oh, and it also hallucinates.

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                        Eh I’m fine with the illegal harvesting of data. It forces the courts to revisit the question of what copyright really is and hopefully erodes the stranglehold that copyright has on modern society.

                        Let the companies fight each other over whether it’s okay to pirate every video on YouTube. I’m waiting.

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                          No?

                          Anyone can run an AI even on the weakest hardware there are plenty of small open models for this.

                          Training an AI requires very strong hardware, however this is not an impossible hurdle as the models on hugging face show.

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                          Yah, I'm an AI researcher and with the weights released for deep seek anybody can run an enterprise level AI assistant. To run the full model natively, it does require $100k in GPUs, but if one had that hardware it could easily be fine-tuned with something like LoRA for almost any application. Then that model can be distilled and quantized to run on gaming GPUs.

                          It's really not that big of a barrier. Yes, $100k in hardware is, but from a non-profit entity perspective that is peanuts.

                          Also adding a vision encoder for images to deep seek would not be theoretically that difficult for the same reason. In fact, I'm working on research right now that finds GPT4o and o1 have similar vision capabilities, implying it's the same first layer vision encoder and then textual chain of thought tokens are read by subsequent layers. (This is a very recent insight as of last week by my team, so if anyone can disprove that, I would be very interested to know!)

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                            But the people with the money for the hardware are the ones training it to put more money in their pockets. That's mostly what it's being trained to do: make rich people richer.

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                            We shouldn't do anything ever because poors

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                              I’d say the biggest problem with AI is that it’s being treated as a tool to displace workers, but there is no system in place to make sure that that “value” (I’m not convinced commercial AI has done anything valuable) created by AI is redistributed to the workers that it has displaced.

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                              The system in place is “open weights” models. These AI companies don’t have a huge head start on the publicly available software, and if the value is there for a corporation, most any savvy solo engineer can slap together something similar.

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                                Like Sam Altman who invests in Prospera, a private "Start-up City" in Honduras where the board of directors pick and choose which laws apply to them!

                                The switch to Techno-Feudalism is progressing far too much for my liking.

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                                  Idk if it’s the biggest problem, but it’s probably top three.

                                  Other problems could include:

                                  • Power usage
                                  • Adding noise to our communication channels
                                  • AGI fears if you buy that (I don’t personally)
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                                  Dead Internet theory has never been a bigger threat. I believe that’s the number one danger - endless quantities of advertising and spam shoved down our throats from every possible direction.

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                                    And yet, he released his latest album exclusively on Apple Music.

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                                      Technological development and the future of our civilization is in control of a handful of idiots.

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                                        Eh I’m fine with the illegal harvesting of data. It forces the courts to revisit the question of what copyright really is and hopefully erodes the stranglehold that copyright has on modern society.

                                        Let the companies fight each other over whether it’s okay to pirate every video on YouTube. I’m waiting.

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                                        I would agree with you if the same companies challenging copyright (protecting the intellectual and creative work of "normies") are not also aggressively welding copyright against the same people they are stealing from.

                                        With the amount of coprorate power tightly integrated with the governmental bodies in the US (and now with Doge dismantling oversight) I fear that whatever comes out of this is humans own nothing, corporations own anything. Death of free independent thought and creativity.

                                        Everything you do, say and create is instantly marketable, sellable by the major corporations and you get nothing in return.

                                        The world needs something a lot more drastic then a copyright reform at this point.

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                                          I don't care much about them harvesting all that data, what I do care about is that despite essentially feeding all human knowledge into LLMs they are still basically useless.

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