If you see this start filming and get them to shout their name.
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you could be dead either way. why not take some with you?
It's about odds and comfort with risk. The odds of dieing are many fold higher if you pull a gun. If you are say a mom of 5 kids... getting taken and deported, but alive and free is woth a lot more than it is for a 20 something with no family.
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Don't kid yourself, this is America. Proper gun training is a stone's throw away and not hard to get anywhere. I'm not talking boot camps, I'm talking basic aim and safety training.
They train this shit professionally.
Barely. Most are lard buckets.
humans will naturally try to evade danger, not rush into it. Which means that even if everybody on the street was armed, they wouldn't have done anything out of fear that it might get them killed or wounded.
Yes that's what I'm saying we need to work on...
Yeah and is that stopping them?
Weapons won't solve this when you're up against the federal forces.
They will stop small forces working largely by their loansome.
I think your sentiment that facism needs to be fought is fine. But once they are coming for you particularly, your fight is over. Try to stay alive.
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I think your sentiment that facism needs to be fought is fine. But once they are coming for you particularly, your fight is over. Try to stay alive.
Sure. But this is about protecting people who they're coming after specifically... Not primarily about self defense
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There is no guarantee this is an arrest.
These people are not showing that they are law enforcement. For all we know we just watched someone get kidnapped by sex traffickers.
Bystanders shouldn't stand by idle, if someone is getting kidnapped right in front of you, and you're able bodied, you should do something about it, violently. Even if it means grabbing the closest heavy thing and throwing it at them. Yell, make a scene, yell out "kidnappers help me!" ....etc
You don't necessarily have to put yourself in harms way, but you can still show some level of resistance to kidnappers, rapists, and the rest. No one should just let those things happen in front of them, and simply pull their phone out to film.
That's some psycho pass level shit.
Unfortunately most people are not going to put their life on the line for you. For reference the advice to women being violently raped is to remain quiet and pee on their attacker or yell fire. Because people do not respond to the words help or rape.
So we start a movement by asking people to do something less, be a witness. Don't let them just disappear people.
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Former fireman salesman here:
Don't just go buy a gun on a whim. Gun ownership is a responsibility with potentially deadly consequences if not taken seriously, and there are moral, legal, ethical, and practical considerations involved.
If anyone has questions about firearms, firearm safety, etc, feel free to reach out. I don't support violent demonstrations or lawlessness, but anyone wanting to know about the tools for legal self-defense, hunting, and shooting sports is welcome to ask me questions.
There are also other ways you can resist a Fascist. I have a can of pepper gel I keep on me at all times. Anyone who tries to abduct me and put me in the back of a van, secret police or just random crook, is getting that sprayed in their eyes and mouth. Apply liberally to the face of the leopard trying to eat your face then run.
I advise everyone who is here on a Student Visa or similar circumstance to start carrying, whether it be mace or a firearm. But keep in mind the firearm salesman notes above. They are good ones.
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That is a sure way to end up dead.
I'm not so sure the alternative of being disappeared into an El Salvedor prison is much better. Besides, it's time for the Fascists to feel the pain. I'm not a firearm carrying sort myself but I do carry a can of pepper gel with me. A gift for anyone who is trying to molest me.
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So, you're saying that "suicide by cop" is the better alternative to having hope that lawyers and non-profit orgs help you? Or, I don't know, you get deported but LIVE and manage to get to a civilised country?
In the 1930s and 1940s, the previous followers of this blighted ideology made 5 million+ people die in horrifying ways. I'm not keen on finding out how many this current batch of assholes is willing to kill. You try to abduct me or someone I care about, you get a face full of pepper spray, at a minimum. And I'm sure not going to look down on an immigrant or minority shooting down a masked secret police officer or 5. Maybe if they have to put their bodies on the line, the assholes will be less keen on trying to abduct people.
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I'm not so sure the alternative of being disappeared into an El Salvedor prison is much better. Besides, it's time for the Fascists to feel the pain. I'm not a firearm carrying sort myself but I do carry a can of pepper gel with me. A gift for anyone who is trying to molest me.
What is the phrase... "death is so final".
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There is no guarantee this is an arrest.
These people are not showing that they are law enforcement. For all we know we just watched someone get kidnapped by sex traffickers.
Bystanders shouldn't stand by idle, if someone is getting kidnapped right in front of you, and you're able bodied, you should do something about it, violently. Even if it means grabbing the closest heavy thing and throwing it at them. Yell, make a scene, yell out "kidnappers help me!" ....etc
You don't necessarily have to put yourself in harms way, but you can still show some level of resistance to kidnappers, rapists, and the rest. No one should just let those things happen in front of them, and simply pull their phone out to film.
That's some psycho pass level shit.
that's easy to say bystanders shouldn't stand idle, but the problem is that can escalate very quickly, you don't know what these people are packing and sometimes the police don't even interfere when they should (look at that incident on a NYC subway where some bystander stepped in to stop a mass stabbing, the police in the next cart over watching this unfold, did nothing until the perp was incapacitated, meanwhile the bystander was in ER, and looking at a bill only possibly paid off through GoFundMe donations).
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Don't kid yourself, this is America. Proper gun training is a stone's throw away and not hard to get anywhere. I'm not talking boot camps, I'm talking basic aim and safety training.
They train this shit professionally.
Barely. Most are lard buckets.
humans will naturally try to evade danger, not rush into it. Which means that even if everybody on the street was armed, they wouldn't have done anything out of fear that it might get them killed or wounded.
Yes that's what I'm saying we need to work on...
Yeah and is that stopping them?
Weapons won't solve this when you're up against the federal forces.
They will stop small forces working largely by their loansome.
I’m talking basic aim and safety training.
Again: how do you imagine someone who did "basic aim and safety training" going against five gun-nuts?
Barely. Most are lard buckets
Show me the lard bucket on the video.
And even that's beside's the point. A lard bucket can still shoot a weapon, and if there's five lard buckets, a student, teacher or roofer just has zero chances. Shit, a SEAL wouldn't have a chance in a situation from the video.
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