In the latest Windows 11 preview build, Microsoft removed the “bypassnro” command, which let users skip signing into a Microsoft Account when installing Windows.
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Rufus has an option to auto add this for you when building a bootable drive. Works great.
Still using Rufus? Ventoy is the way of the future. One USB, hundreds of ISOs.
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Still using Rufus? Ventoy is the way of the future. One USB, hundreds of ISOs.
I might be OOTL but wasn't there some concerns with the developer or something? I thought I heard something but I forgot what
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That's what W10 LTSC is for.
Until that isn’t supported anymore, yes. It’s a solution… for now.
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A few weeks ago I helped one of my client's employees set up their brand new laptop, which came with Win11 installed, of course. They just need it for basic work stuff and there's no chance in hell anything other than Windows is a viable option here.
We work remotely so I would help them get set up to a point where they could at least share their screen to me, or I could take over via remote access myself. I just needed to guide them through the steps "blind" for a short while.
So we go through the Windows 11 first time setup together. All seems to go ok until Windows asks them to log into their MS account or create one. No problem, we should be able to do that, right? Only that we can't. We're connected to the WiFi, etc., yet they get some generic ass error message like "Sorry, something went wrong" and that's that.
Ok, so we can't log in with an online account. Let's try offline as a fallback! We set the username, password... "Sorry, something went wrong" again. I don't use Windows myself, I've been a Linux user for years now, I don't have any freaking clue how to remotely diagnose an vague issue that literally prevents them from getting the laptop to a functional state. So I Google the problem and the recommended answer is to run this magic "bypassnro" command. It will cut all the mandatory online account bullshit, move straight to a reliable offline account setup screen, and allow us to, you know, actually do work? And it worked!
If I hadn't had that command at my disposal, that I had to use to work around Microsoft's broken ass setup UX, I would've probably spent twice or three times longer coaching my non-tech-savvy client through booting into fail safe mode and doing all kinds of arcane sysadmin shit that I don't even have to ever think about in Linux. All this just to get them into the desktop.
And Microsoft have decided to take it away. Nice one.
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yes but they make it hard to access, and it has legal issues too so you maybe shouldn't use it in a business setting
I discovered recently that they make the regular ISOs hard to access too. It didn't want to let me download it from a linux machine.
But there's always a way to access this stuff.
What are the legal issues?
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It's used for industrial applications like manufacturing and whatnot, stuff that really doesn't need to be updated regularly since the software is effectively legacy.
Hell, we've got tools from the 2000s still running Win2k.
Well I mainly want it to keep my VR headset running which nobody can get working in linux.
One of these days I'll replace it and make sure the new one can run on linux, and then I won't have much keeping me on windows anymore.
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I did the same on my media center mini PC.
Any idea how to check/enable HDR?You'll want to not use cinnamon for HDR, cinnamon is not going to get it for a very long time, KDE is a much more up to date environment and it works mostly out of the box on the most recent versions.
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I still have an old copy of the installer with that command intact. Might be good to keep around.
this right here. I had to switch back to windows as just too much software I needed to use doesn't work on Linux wine or proton be damned. so I just use 21H2 until either Linux support becomes more mainstream or until the less likely option of Microsoft un-enshittifying. (LOL)
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I might be OOTL but wasn't there some concerns with the developer or something? I thought I heard something but I forgot what
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1buhnrs/is_ventoy_safe_in_light_of_xzliblzma_scare/
It's basically a security nightmare.
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Which suggests to me that MS stores plaintext passwords. Because a hash function doesn't care about the length of what it's hashing, the output will always be the same length, so they could verify a 300 character password with the same storage space as a 3 character password.
Not how it works. You don't attempt to guess the hashed password, you guess a password which then is hashed
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My 1st desktop had Windows 95 on it. It worked OK. A few years later, I bought a laptop pc with WindowsME (Millennium Edition), and it became the last Windows product I've owned. A work colleague installed Windows 2000 on that laptop, and it worked for a couple months, until I got my "blue screen of death."
At that time, they started selling the ePC notebooks, available with WindowsXP or Linux (the XanderOS) I stepped out of my comfort zone, and got the XanderOS variant, and have had Linux computers since. I'm currently using Mint on an old Panasonic CF-30, and Ubuntu on 2 laptops built by System 76.
My wife likes Mac, but I'm not a fan. My kids get a pretty rounded experience, between using their moms Mac, their dads 2 variants of Linux, and their Chromebooks at school.
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A few weeks ago I helped one of my client's employees set up their brand new laptop, which came with Win11 installed, of course. They just need it for basic work stuff and there's no chance in hell anything other than Windows is a viable option here.
We work remotely so I would help them get set up to a point where they could at least share their screen to me, or I could take over via remote access myself. I just needed to guide them through the steps "blind" for a short while.
So we go through the Windows 11 first time setup together. All seems to go ok until Windows asks them to log into their MS account or create one. No problem, we should be able to do that, right? Only that we can't. We're connected to the WiFi, etc., yet they get some generic ass error message like "Sorry, something went wrong" and that's that.
Ok, so we can't log in with an online account. Let's try offline as a fallback! We set the username, password... "Sorry, something went wrong" again. I don't use Windows myself, I've been a Linux user for years now, I don't have any freaking clue how to remotely diagnose an vague issue that literally prevents them from getting the laptop to a functional state. So I Google the problem and the recommended answer is to run this magic "bypassnro" command. It will cut all the mandatory online account bullshit, move straight to a reliable offline account setup screen, and allow us to, you know, actually do work? And it worked!
If I hadn't had that command at my disposal, that I had to use to work around Microsoft's broken ass setup UX, I would've probably spent twice or three times longer coaching my non-tech-savvy client through booting into fail safe mode and doing all kinds of arcane sysadmin shit that I don't even have to ever think about in Linux. All this just to get them into the desktop.
And Microsoft have decided to take it away. Nice one.
I was trying to set up win 11 laptop for my mom and ran into S mode, that took like an hour to walk my elderly mom through the steps to disable it so I could remote in. Finally gave up and grab a MS approved remote desktop app to remote in a disable the S mode, its s for Shit. Of course the other remote desktop app crashed.
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This with Windows 11 LTSC IoT edition?
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Apple does this.
Microsoft is now doing this.
I wonder how long until Google start doing it with Android
This future is so fucking dystopian
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https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1buhnrs/is_ventoy_safe_in_light_of_xzliblzma_scare/
It's basically a security nightmare.
Oh geez..
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I put this in another thread:
It's not a big deal. They're removing the bypassnro.cmd script, which is just this:
@echo off
reg add HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\OOBE /v BypassNRO /t REG_DWORD /d 1 /f
shutdown /r /t 0
You can still use shift-F10 at the same point, type those two lines (not the @ECHO OFF), and it will achieve the same result.
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I discovered recently that they make the regular ISOs hard to access too. It didn't want to let me download it from a linux machine.
But there's always a way to access this stuff.
What are the legal issues?
licensing. both if you don't plan to buy it, and if you do, because as I understand it's hard to obtain, and maybe hard to keep too
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Apple does this.
Microsoft is now doing this.
I wonder how long until Google start doing it with Android
This future is so fucking dystopian
Arent they already for official OEM ROMs?
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Arent they already for official OEM ROMs?
Really?
I've used Samsung and Motorola Android phones, I can set them up offline.
I assume every other OEM is the same.
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How the hell are we supposed to install it without a Internet connection? I worked in a company that was so hard on security that only certified machines were allowed access to the net, so virtual machines were not allowed to access the LAN and therefore the Internet. Generally not a problem as we just used them to test software on different OS versions, so no Internet required.
This change disallows all offline installs. What is their gain? Are they that keen on our data or are they planning to use the connection to a Microsoft account for something even worse than just selling personal information?
I could think of a few reasons and none are nice...I used the iso modification tool from the GitHub for ChrisTitus before installing with good results
