Europe goes into daylight saving time despite controversy
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I like DST. I like having sunlight later into the evening during the summer.
Just... wake up earlier?
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Mid-day should be the middle of the day.
Mid-night should be the middle of the night.If you like more light in the evening, go to bed late and wake up late. If you like light in the morning, go to bed early and wake up early.
Stop fucking with the clocks and making nonsensible decisions
This is the way
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While we're at it, cancel the time zones. I have no fucking clue why we're still pretending everyone wakes up at the same time of the day all over the world. All it does is mess up scheduling for when you actually want to talk to people on the other side of the world.
How would we decide to handle the date with no time zones? Half the world would have a date switch during the daytime. Not necessarily impossible to navigate but it would be confusing for a while.
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Mid-day should be the middle of the day.
Mid-night should be the middle of the night.If you like more light in the evening, go to bed late and wake up late. If you like light in the morning, go to bed early and wake up early.
Stop fucking with the clocks and making nonsensible decisions
Yes, but the EU is split into four time zones now and if you implement this technically there would be many more:
8 if we'd have 30-min time-zones
16 if we'd have 15-min time-zones
24 if we'd have 10-min time-zones
48 if we'd have 5-min time-zones
240 if we'd have 1-min time-zonesI'm not saying we should keep dst, but we can't have everyone have midday at 12:00 and midnight at 00:00.
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I think most people just don't like the time changes twice a year. Permanent standard time or summer time doesn't matter as much to me, just pick one and stay with it.
Well if you pick permanent summer time it's gonna be light hella late in winter so you might not know it but it might matter much to you. Although I don't know you and maybe it truly wouldnt matter to you
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Mid-day should be the middle of the day.
Mid-night should be the middle of the night.If you like more light in the evening, go to bed late and wake up late. If you like light in the morning, go to bed early and wake up early.
Stop fucking with the clocks and making nonsensible decisions
We need a standard system for tracking time. If every city decides their own time based on the sun it will be chaos.
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We need a standard system for tracking time. If every city decides their own time based on the sun it will be chaos.
Have the whole world go on UTC, that way there's never confusion.
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Summary
Most European countries moved clocks forward one hour on Sunday, marking the start of daylight saving time (DST), a practice increasingly criticized.
Originally introduced during World War I to conserve energy, DST returned during the 1970s oil crisis and now shifts Central European Time to Central European Summer Time.
Despite a 2018 EU consultation where 84% of nearly 4 million respondents supported abolishing DST, implementation stalled due to member state disagreement.
Poland, currently holding the EU presidency, plans informal consultations to revisit the issue amid broader geopolitical priorities.
like 2 times every year we change our time. world news!
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Have the whole world go on UTC, that way there's never confusion.
I've had way too many conversations with people that simply can't comprehend how that works. "But then we'd have to do everything so much earlier, it would be dark all the time." I try to explain that we'd still do everything at the same time of day, just call it something different, but they just can't wrap their minds around that.
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How would we decide to handle the date with no time zones? Half the world would have a date switch during the daytime. Not necessarily impossible to navigate but it would be confusing for a while.
That is up to the people to decide. Have the date switch at 00:00 whenever that is, or switch it at whatever time is the middle of the night - I just want to be able to see the time written out and be able to tell how many hours from now that's happening without googling what flavor of time fuckery any specific time zone abbreviation means. I don't think changing dates is going to be more confusing than some countries having 15 minutes ahead of GMT time zones or screwing up everyone's circadian rhythms twice a year.
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Yes, but the EU is split into four time zones now and if you implement this technically there would be many more:
8 if we'd have 30-min time-zones
16 if we'd have 15-min time-zones
24 if we'd have 10-min time-zones
48 if we'd have 5-min time-zones
240 if we'd have 1-min time-zonesI'm not saying we should keep dst, but we can't have everyone have midday at 12:00 and midnight at 00:00.
That’s how it was back in the day. When you walked over a couple of villages you’d have to change your watch by 3 minutes.
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Yes, but the EU is split into four time zones now and if you implement this technically there would be many more:
8 if we'd have 30-min time-zones
16 if we'd have 15-min time-zones
24 if we'd have 10-min time-zones
48 if we'd have 5-min time-zones
240 if we'd have 1-min time-zonesI'm not saying we should keep dst, but we can't have everyone have midday at 12:00 and midnight at 00:00.
You can keep 1 hour time zones just fine. It still puts moon within 1 hour of mid day, which you don’t get with DST.
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The objection isn’t to DST, it’s to switching back and forth. Just pick one and stick with it.
Split the difference at 30 minutes, and call it a day!
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That is up to the people to decide. Have the date switch at 00:00 whenever that is, or switch it at whatever time is the middle of the night - I just want to be able to see the time written out and be able to tell how many hours from now that's happening without googling what flavor of time fuckery any specific time zone abbreviation means. I don't think changing dates is going to be more confusing than some countries having 15 minutes ahead of GMT time zones or screwing up everyone's circadian rhythms twice a year.
That's going to be way worse. I can get down with no timezones, but if we replace time zones with date zones you'll end up with two locations where the same instant of time is either March 2nd at 3am or March 1st at 3am. There really just isn't an easy way to handle time that works for all weird geographies and also makes it easy to schedule things across an ocean. But also, fuck daylight savings, that's a totally unnecessary way of making it all worse than it needs to be.
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That's going to be way worse. I can get down with no timezones, but if we replace time zones with date zones you'll end up with two locations where the same instant of time is either March 2nd at 3am or March 1st at 3am. There really just isn't an easy way to handle time that works for all weird geographies and also makes it easy to schedule things across an ocean. But also, fuck daylight savings, that's a totally unnecessary way of making it all worse than it needs to be.
I don't mind just changing the date a 0 hours everywhere at once, personally. Though, there's also a thing Japan already does where they list time at 25:00, 26:00 and so on - meaning 1 AM, 2 AM, but tomorrow. I think that might be handy for when you want to list the time that would technically be tomorrow but still during the current daylight period.
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Mid-day should be the middle of the day.
Mid-night should be the middle of the night.If you like more light in the evening, go to bed late and wake up late. If you like light in the morning, go to bed early and wake up early.
Stop fucking with the clocks and making nonsensible decisions
Mid-day should be the middle of the day.
Mid-night should be the middle of the night.You'd need new clocks, those times drift every day, so 12:00 midday would need to change automatically.
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Have the whole world go on UTC, that way there's never confusion.
China has one time zone, but in Xinjiang they use local time anyway. Getting everyone on one time zone for daily use is unlikely.
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That’s how it was back in the day. When you walked over a couple of villages you’d have to change your watch by 3 minutes.
I'm all for aligning life with the rhythm of nature and all, but I don't see how that'd work in current times.
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Mid-day should be the middle of the day.
Mid-night should be the middle of the night.You'd need new clocks, those times drift every day, so 12:00 midday would need to change automatically.
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I've had way too many conversations with people that simply can't comprehend how that works. "But then we'd have to do everything so much earlier, it would be dark all the time." I try to explain that we'd still do everything at the same time of day, just call it something different, but they just can't wrap their minds around that.
We can't. It'd make it too easy to discover how arbitrary "9 to 5" is.
