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German security officials believe the Kremlin is laying the groundwork for a potential large-scale conventional war with NATO by the end of the decade

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  • E [email protected]

    Well they can both be true, It just depends on Putin's mental state.

    There was a rumor going around that he is dying and he is basically just doing this to try and make a name for himself, he will rebuild the USSR and it will stand for a thousand years as him as its founding father, and all that rubbish. Of course it's impossible for that to happen, but if he's dying anyway why not try?

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    He has definitely made a name for himself. Can we just tell him it's positive and let him die so that the rest of the world can move on?

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      cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/59867996

      German media outlets Süddeutsche Zeitung, WDR, and NDR also cite the report, noting that Russian President Vladimir Putin appears intent on testing NATO’s Article 5 guarantees. The alliance’s mutual defence clause obliges member states to come to one another’s aid if attacked. The assessment suggests Putin may seek to challenge how seriously that commitment would be honoured.

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      With what? I read yesterday they were not able to keep up with the losses from just fighting the ukraine.

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        They can’t use article 5 preemptively

        USA did after 9/11.

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        The use of “after” in your statement should be a clue that you’re wrong

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          They burned through their Soviet stockpiles of artillery and tanks in 3 years fighting Ukraine, what makes anyone think they could fight NATO?

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          Well China is ready to make bank

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            With what? I read yesterday they were not able to keep up with the losses from just fighting the ukraine.

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            American tanks 😞

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              cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/59867996

              German media outlets Süddeutsche Zeitung, WDR, and NDR also cite the report, noting that Russian President Vladimir Putin appears intent on testing NATO’s Article 5 guarantees. The alliance’s mutual defence clause obliges member states to come to one another’s aid if attacked. The assessment suggests Putin may seek to challenge how seriously that commitment would be honoured.

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              Me too, I believe that. Anyone with half a brain believes that.

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                American tanks 😞

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                I wish I wasn't so sure you were right.

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                • L [email protected]

                  Elsewhere on Lemmy today;

                  Russia has depleted its tank stocks: the industry is not covering combat losses

                  Both of these cannot be true.

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                  Hmm who do we know that will sell anything that isn't tied down and currently controls the US government and is buddy buddy with Putin? No, not Satan, but you are close!

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                    cross-posted from: https://lemm.ee/post/59867996

                    German media outlets Süddeutsche Zeitung, WDR, and NDR also cite the report, noting that Russian President Vladimir Putin appears intent on testing NATO’s Article 5 guarantees. The alliance’s mutual defence clause obliges member states to come to one another’s aid if attacked. The assessment suggests Putin may seek to challenge how seriously that commitment would be honoured.

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                    Honestly, I believe Europe needs to go on the offensive, we need a single unified offensive against Moscow with the intent of crippling the KGB and arresting Putin. They are both too dangerous to be left to their own devices.

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                      Well China is ready to make bank

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                      I don't think Russia has money either from all the sanctions. This all strikes me as extremely unlikely. They can't even get through Ukraine lol.

                      But maybe they're just exaggerating to justify war spending just in case.

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                        Hmm who do we know that will sell anything that isn't tied down and currently controls the US government and is buddy buddy with Putin? No, not Satan, but you are close!

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                        Nah dude killing people is God's department Satan just smokes gay weed

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                        • F [email protected]

                          Redo the calculations with the USA fighting on Russia's side, and things start to look different.

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                          Trump seems to be consolidating to focus on Iran (and it's allies) and China. He's not going to fight Europe. If anything, he'll try to get them to help by threatening NATO membership or something.

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                            Honest question. If Russia nuked Krakow, would America retaliate with nukes? Would France? England?

                            I don't think so. It's not even clear nato would declare conventional war.

                            Mutually assured destruction only works for countries with nukes. Am alliance is no real deterance.

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                            What did Kraków do to you 😞 Leave my city alone.

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                              Honestly, I believe Europe needs to go on the offensive, we need a single unified offensive against Moscow with the intent of crippling the KGB and arresting Putin. They are both too dangerous to be left to their own devices.

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                              The KGB hasn't existed since 1991.

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                                The KGB hasn't existed since 1991.

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                                Oh it does exist just not officially. Someone has to help everyone fall after windows

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                                  Well China is ready to make bank

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                                  China doesn't want to war between Europe and Russia.

                                  It would force Europe to rapidly develop military capability and when Europ inevitably won that war, it would still have a vast military and might be feeling a bit touchy about dictatorships. China likes the world as it is right now, they have a lot of long-term plans and Russia suddenly seating to exist would mess all those plans up.

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                                  • F [email protected]

                                    The KGB hasn't existed since 1991.

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                                    Officially.

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                                    • M [email protected]

                                      Yeah? And if you're wrong we're fucked. To be clear it's not that you or I could do anything about it. We're just either fucked or going to have the world's biggest laugh at the Russians.

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                                      What's the alternative alternative? Roll over and let Russia invade? Then we're all fucked anyway. Might as well take the chance of standing up instead of dying lying down.

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                                      • A [email protected]

                                        Nah dude killing people is God's department Satan just smokes gay weed

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                                        Right? I don't recall Satan killing anyone in the Bible, whereas God killed almost everyone.

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                                          Nah dude killing people is God's department Satan just smokes gay weed

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                                          TBF I explicitly said "Not Satan."

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