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Germany decides to leave history in the past and prepare for war

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  • lordwiggle@lemmy.worldL [email protected]

    It feels a bit weird being on the German side for once, also their track record of succeeding isn't that great, but I love our neighbors and I fully support them.

    I'm just, sad the world is falling into another world war while we also just could be more kind and forgiving towards each other. It would save a lot of lives and leads of pain and agony.

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    I mean the track record is pretty good as long as you don't just stop at the 20th century.

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      I think you skipped over a comment in that chain.

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      You're right, thanks

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        The AfD may be hard right but I can't see any Germans getting in bed with Russia.

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        The AfD is in bed with Russia though.

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          Germany's military, the Bundeswehr, recently got the all-clear for a massive increase in investment after parliament voted to exempt defence spending from strict rules on debt.

          The country's top general has told the BBC the cash boost is urgently needed because he believes Russian aggression won't stop at Ukraine.

          "We are threatened by Russia. We are threatened by Putin. We have to do whatever is needed to deter that," Gen Carsten Breuer says. He warns that Nato should be braced for a possible attack in as little as four years.

          "It's not about how much time I need, it's much more about how much time Putin gives us to be prepared," the defence chief says bluntly. "And the sooner we are prepared the better."

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          I don't see this as Germany leaving history in the past, but being smart to protect their future so the that the lessons of the past mean something.

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            Germany's military, the Bundeswehr, recently got the all-clear for a massive increase in investment after parliament voted to exempt defence spending from strict rules on debt.

            The country's top general has told the BBC the cash boost is urgently needed because he believes Russian aggression won't stop at Ukraine.

            "We are threatened by Russia. We are threatened by Putin. We have to do whatever is needed to deter that," Gen Carsten Breuer says. He warns that Nato should be braced for a possible attack in as little as four years.

            "It's not about how much time I need, it's much more about how much time Putin gives us to be prepared," the defence chief says bluntly. "And the sooner we are prepared the better."

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            Sad to read that people are ok with this.

            Stop contributing to rich people bullshit and step out of the system. Every other move will get us all killed.

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              I'm not sure what else those under threat of attack should do than to try and best prepare for it. Germany isn't the first target that comes to mind but still.

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              Europe spend billions on war already, they are already prepared for it and practice a war every year

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steadfast_Defender_2024

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                for the first time, Germany possibly gets to be the "good guys" in a world war! Quite a turnaround.

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                Remember the first persons to be harassed, assassinated, detained, sent to concentration camps were german citizen.
                The first who tried to resist Hitler's power, sabotage infrastructure, retrieve and send confidential informations to the allies were german citizen.
                A lot of germans were the good guys in ww2 (and afterwards for that matter).
                Whatever the conflict, let's not forget that [country X leadership] is not the same as [country x as a whole].

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                  Germany's military, the Bundeswehr, recently got the all-clear for a massive increase in investment after parliament voted to exempt defence spending from strict rules on debt.

                  The country's top general has told the BBC the cash boost is urgently needed because he believes Russian aggression won't stop at Ukraine.

                  "We are threatened by Russia. We are threatened by Putin. We have to do whatever is needed to deter that," Gen Carsten Breuer says. He warns that Nato should be braced for a possible attack in as little as four years.

                  "It's not about how much time I need, it's much more about how much time Putin gives us to be prepared," the defence chief says bluntly. "And the sooner we are prepared the better."

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                  Great powers rearming will not be good for anyone no matter what the context is around it. After Napoleon, European leaders were so afraid of war between great powers that they avoided it for 100 years. The moment they let their guard up we got WW1. The weapons do not make us safer. Don't think for a moment it can't happen again.

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                    Liberal qanon loves the homophobic conspiracies.

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                    qanon is wildly conservative.

                    and what's homophobic to you about two guys kissing?

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                      Europe spend billions on war already, they are already prepared for it and practice a war every year

                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steadfast_Defender_2024

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                      And Germany needs to spend more to get their shit in order. Right now their military is in a very poor shape.

                      You don't defend your country or help your allies by just pointing at a balance sheet.

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                        Hand way too big.

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                        great point. The orange should also be just the front of his face. the edges and neck should be his naturally translucent un-oranged wrinkly skin.

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                          Germany's military, the Bundeswehr, recently got the all-clear for a massive increase in investment after parliament voted to exempt defence spending from strict rules on debt.

                          The country's top general has told the BBC the cash boost is urgently needed because he believes Russian aggression won't stop at Ukraine.

                          "We are threatened by Russia. We are threatened by Putin. We have to do whatever is needed to deter that," Gen Carsten Breuer says. He warns that Nato should be braced for a possible attack in as little as four years.

                          "It's not about how much time I need, it's much more about how much time Putin gives us to be prepared," the defence chief says bluntly. "And the sooner we are prepared the better."

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                          Misleading title ass click bait type shit.

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                            And Germany needs to spend more to get their shit in order. Right now their military is in a very poor shape.

                            You don't defend your country or help your allies by just pointing at a balance sheet.

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                            They spend billions each year their shit is already in order

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                              Great powers rearming will not be good for anyone no matter what the context is around it. After Napoleon, European leaders were so afraid of war between great powers that they avoided it for 100 years. The moment they let their guard up we got WW1. The weapons do not make us safer. Don't think for a moment it can't happen again.

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                              Neither does passivism though. If everyone around you is losing your mind, you either give up your freedom and very possibly your life, or you fight.

                              The only reason no other great power has needed a fully prepared military is because of US leadership. That can't be trusted now, so here we are.

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                                Dear imperial media... You talking about this Germany?

                                • Germany and Israel sign largest-ever defense deal worth $3.5 bln

                                They didn't leave history in the past. They've been supporting genocide ever since.

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                                Oh yeah. That's it. They're morally bankrupt. They shouldn't be allowed to defend against a lighthouse for human rights and ethical behaviour such as Russia. Imperial media. Lol.

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                                  Authoritarian governments and corrupted politicians needs people to fight their wars. War will come once enough people get brainwashed into it

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                                  They already are and they're speaking russian.

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                                    They spend billions each year their shit is already in order

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                                    They're spending billions on military pensions alone. Doesn't do anything for their military capability. They've been chronically underspending for decades and it has deteriorated their capabilities. And it's understandble, times have been good and USA was a good strong partner. Things have unfortunately changed. What they need money now is modernization, new purchases, development, all sorts of things to actually make the military a respectable defence force.

                                    You don't fight a war with receipts.

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                                      Great powers rearming will not be good for anyone no matter what the context is around it. After Napoleon, European leaders were so afraid of war between great powers that they avoided it for 100 years. The moment they let their guard up we got WW1. The weapons do not make us safer. Don't think for a moment it can't happen again.

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                                      After Napoleon, European leaders were so afraid of war between great powers that they avoided it for 100 years.

                                      What kind of bullshit is this? The napoleonic wars were over in 1815. In 1866 there war the austro-prussian war, in 1870 the franco-german war. That's barely 50 years, and those wars are just those I remember from history class. I'm sure there were more in between. Or are we talking Napoleon III who was deposed in the franco-german war in 1870? Well I'm pretty sure in the 100 years since then Napoleon there were some even bigger wars.

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                                        They're spending billions on military pensions alone. Doesn't do anything for their military capability. They've been chronically underspending for decades and it has deteriorated their capabilities. And it's understandble, times have been good and USA was a good strong partner. Things have unfortunately changed. What they need money now is modernization, new purchases, development, all sorts of things to actually make the military a respectable defence force.

                                        You don't fight a war with receipts.

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                                        Who are you supposed to fight a war to begin with?

                                        Germany is not the only country in the world spending money on military pensions.

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                                          I'm not sure it would. The Nazi economy was supported by plunder, they had to keep attacking to fund it. They couldn't get to Britain or America, and they had otherwise more or less run out of Europe.

                                          I don't want to imagine the kind of atrocities they could have committed in the time that it would take for them to collapse, but I do think the collapse would have come

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                                          thank you for that idea, that kinda calms me down a bit (actually a lot more than just a bit) šŸ˜„

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