Palestinians starve as Israel continues full ban on humanitarian aid
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I consider the current conflict having started in October 2022 because a lot of these ceasefires feel more like a pause in a war not the end of a war. Wars end with leaders dead or lasting agreements.
No that is not how it works.
Israel accepted a ceasefre leading to a lasting agreement. Then Israel violated it.
The current genocide in Gaza started on 18 March.
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Such selective logic. Their massive terrorist attack has caused such blowback that now they have no good options to minimize child deaths. Maybe the terror attack was not about preventing child deaths? That’s the point here.
I understand you want to champion the Palestinians because they are dreadfully overmatched. But don’t let that whitewash your view of a very grey situation.
It’s so easy for you to criticize from your position of comfort and privilege, but meanwhile YOU have offered no solutions other than to try knocking down everyone else. Palestinian children were dying before the attack and are dying after. Even before October 7, Gazan children were malnourished and food insecure to the point where they are shorter than Palestinians on the other side of the wall. Most have signs of PTSD. Spare me your phony concern if you were doing nothing about it before.
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It’s so easy for you to criticize from your position of comfort and privilege, but meanwhile YOU have offered no solutions other than to try knocking down everyone else. Palestinian children were dying before the attack and are dying after. Even before October 7, Gazan children were malnourished and food insecure to the point where they are shorter than Palestinians on the other side of the wall. Most have signs of PTSD. Spare me your phony concern if you were doing nothing about it before.
It’s a logical fallacy that I have to solve peace in the Middle East before I can evaluate the morality of kidnapping, rape, and murder.
But I do recognize my privilege. Moral qualms and principles are a luxury. Does this make them meaningless? Ceding morality to those locked in a cycle of murder takes us to a dark place.
The Israelis say the same shit you are, frankly. “You would do the same thing if they’d taken your family?” And “easy for you to criticize from the outside.” So this is easy to reflect back at you. Unless you’re sitting in Tel Aviv right now, you’re judging from a privileged place
Like I said, I’ve followed this conflict for 40 years. Casting off moral qualms to engage in a tooth and nail cycle of endless murder is what got everyone here, not what’s going to get them out. Hate cannot drive out hate, said someone less privileged than I.
You can have the final word here. I only ask that you spend it on something other than ad hominem if you can.
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No that is not how it works.
Israel accepted a ceasefre leading to a lasting agreement. Then Israel violated it.
The current genocide in Gaza started on 18 March.
My bad, I thought it was temporary not lasting.
That said I stand by my doubts that this will end without total annihilation on either side. Israel can’t forgive Hamas or Hamas Israel without either side literally changing theirs beliefs and values which ain’t happening.
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My bad, I thought it was temporary not lasting.
That said I stand by my doubts that this will end without total annihilation on either side. Israel can’t forgive Hamas or Hamas Israel without either side literally changing theirs beliefs and values which ain’t happening.
Hamas refused temporary ceasefires multiple times in 2024. The only reason Hamas agreed to this one was the promise of a lasting ceasefire.
Which also contradicts your second argument, Hamas is actively working to reach a peaceful solution. Israel is refusing every attempt and violating ceasefire agreements.
This is not a both sides issue. Only one side is the problem.
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Hamas refused temporary ceasefires multiple times in 2024. The only reason Hamas agreed to this one was the promise of a lasting ceasefire.
Which also contradicts your second argument, Hamas is actively working to reach a peaceful solution. Israel is refusing every attempt and violating ceasefire agreements.
This is not a both sides issue. Only one side is the problem.
I’m sorry but I’ve heard Jews and Palestinians outside of Israel complain about Hamas specifically for a very long time and I can’t believe they genuinely want peace because they still have hostages, considering Israel said this conflict will end when the hostages are released many times now.
Israel is angry at Hamas like they never have been before and it seems to me Hamas only wants peace now because they’re losing and are afraid.
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I’m sorry but I’ve heard Jews and Palestinians outside of Israel complain about Hamas specifically for a very long time and I can’t believe they genuinely want peace because they still have hostages, considering Israel said this conflict will end when the hostages are released many times now.
Israel is angry at Hamas like they never have been before and it seems to me Hamas only wants peace now because they’re losing and are afraid.
Hamas took captives because Israel has 10.000 Palestinian hostages.
Why would Hamas release their captives if Israel does not do the same? Your argument makes no sense. Especially knowing Israel will starve and kill all Palestinians if Hamas has no leverage.
Hamas is very clearly doing everything to achieve peace. Israel is the agressor.
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It’s a logical fallacy that I have to solve peace in the Middle East before I can evaluate the morality of kidnapping, rape, and murder.
But I do recognize my privilege. Moral qualms and principles are a luxury. Does this make them meaningless? Ceding morality to those locked in a cycle of murder takes us to a dark place.
The Israelis say the same shit you are, frankly. “You would do the same thing if they’d taken your family?” And “easy for you to criticize from the outside.” So this is easy to reflect back at you. Unless you’re sitting in Tel Aviv right now, you’re judging from a privileged place
Like I said, I’ve followed this conflict for 40 years. Casting off moral qualms to engage in a tooth and nail cycle of endless murder is what got everyone here, not what’s going to get them out. Hate cannot drive out hate, said someone less privileged than I.
You can have the final word here. I only ask that you spend it on something other than ad hominem if you can.
Condescending and concern trolling. Nice. As if I haven’t been following the conflict for decades or spent years studying it in school or multiple trips to both Israel and Palestine and surrounding countries.
I never said moral qualms are a luxury, you’re creating a strawman to beat. I said you’re trolling by pretending that you have a better solution for Palestinians and lambasting them for not following your enlightened opinion from your ivory tower. Hate cannot drive out hate, but Netanyahu’s government is certainly trying their hardest despite decades of failure. What’s going to end the cycle is for the rest of the world to call them out; for the Israeli government pursuing maximalist expansion and deprivation of human rights for millions and oppression of their own citizens. You instead mouth platitudes with your condescension and sound deeply out of touch, belying the claim that you’ve allegedly been following this conflict so closely.
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Different administration controlled by a different party and before they reformulated the Hannibal Directive in 2016.
That said, Hamas probably did make a strategic mistake by thinking Israel would give a shit about its people, but in so doing they also achieved another strategic objective - the heightening of contradictions within Israeli society by showing Israeli citizens how little their government cares about them and how willing it is to kill them for a strategic advantage. They also managed to show the world that Israeli is a rogue state and it has become more isolated than ever before.
We'll see how this works out in the long run, but don't discount Oct 7th as a failure just yet.
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Hamas took captives because Israel has 10.000 Palestinian hostages.
Why would Hamas release their captives if Israel does not do the same? Your argument makes no sense. Especially knowing Israel will starve and kill all Palestinians if Hamas has no leverage.
Hamas is very clearly doing everything to achieve peace. Israel is the agressor.
If you’re talking about the base population of Palestine being held being held captive, maybe Hamas should accepted sovereignty and a two state when it was on the table of using humanitarian funds to build a tunnel network and military headquarters under schools and hospitals they can launch missiles at Israel from.
What Israel is doing is cruel and they are going to reap this karma for decades in not centuries to come but because of the nature of war it is more justifiable to completely annihilate and enemy than to leave them standing given such history, because this enemy does not accept peace, wants global jihad, and is just as zealous if not more than they are sometimes.
According to Sun Tzu, if it gets down to this, when you cannot win against this foe through diplomacy, if you do not crush the enemy entirely they will simply regroup and try again. He learned that during a time in China where kingdoms were being established and genocide wasn’t considered a war crime but a punishment for losing a war without accepting defeat. This what Israel is facing. You could say the times are different but in this way, war never changes.
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If you’re talking about the base population of Palestine being held being held captive, maybe Hamas should accepted sovereignty and a two state when it was on the table of using humanitarian funds to build a tunnel network and military headquarters under schools and hospitals they can launch missiles at Israel from.
What Israel is doing is cruel and they are going to reap this karma for decades in not centuries to come but because of the nature of war it is more justifiable to completely annihilate and enemy than to leave them standing given such history, because this enemy does not accept peace, wants global jihad, and is just as zealous if not more than they are sometimes.
According to Sun Tzu, if it gets down to this, when you cannot win against this foe through diplomacy, if you do not crush the enemy entirely they will simply regroup and try again. He learned that during a time in China where kingdoms were being established and genocide wasn’t considered a war crime but a punishment for losing a war without accepting defeat. This what Israel is facing. You could say the times are different but in this way, war never changes.
When was this two state offer you speak of? The rest of your comment is also nonsense so address this first.
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When was this two state offer you speak of? The rest of your comment is also nonsense so address this first.
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I said offer to Hamas not random Wikipedia page.
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I said offer to Hamas not random Wikipedia page.
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Quote it.
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Quote it.
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