Denmark, Netherlands react to Trump's DEI ultimatum
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And they might decide on a whim that the contract is no longer valid for reasons made up yesterday.
Doesn't matter how much money the contract promises you if you can't know if it's going to be honoured.
Yea anyways. Back here on planet earth where people are making businesses for money, US contracts are hella worth it.
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Yea anyways. Back here on planet earth where people are making businesses for money, US contracts are hella worth it.
Were* worth it. It’s not going to be worth it anymore.
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Yea anyways. Back here on planet earth where people are making businesses for money, US contracts are hella worth it.
Okay, I have a business offer for you: you deliver me a package of cookies every day and I'll pay you $1 million at the end of the month. Great offer right?
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Summary
Denmark and the Netherlands criticized Trump’s demand that foreign companies with U.S. government contracts eliminate diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI).
Denmark called for a coordinated EU response, labeling the move a potential trade barrier.
The Trump administration sent letters to European firms—including in France and Belgium—warning they must comply with a DEI ban or risk losing U.S. contracts.
European officials condemned the letters, defending DEI as essential to corporate responsibility. The EU Commission is reviewing the situation, while the U.S. State Department called the effort a compliance measure.
What a fucking bizarre, pointless demand from a country.
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What a fucking bizarre, pointless demand from a country.
It's not even the worst ideologically driven madness Pushed on foreign nations. The George W. Bush administration used aid programs to coerce African nations to focus on faith based birth control initiatives (such as abstinence) during the HIV epidemic leading to absolutely massive numbers of infected across the continent.
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Every time I read news about Trump I always wonder what his end goal is. Because he sounds so much like those end users who says unreasonable things like "you need to add/fix/change this" if it is done then they always comes back for more because they didn't get the end come they wanted and then it all turns out they wanted something that was reasonable (or not) but they demand changes that won't do that.
Is his end goal really getting more jobs?
And I wonder what kind of jobs he wish to create because a lot of Americans seem to have many weird jobs already like just standing in a corner pointing in a direction or taking care of your filled form by walking 3 meters to another person with it.
Every time I read news about Trump I always wonder what his end goal is.
Be adulated. Get a nobel peace price because Obama has one.
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I love that this article expands DEI into diversity, equity, and inclusion. It's important to remember that diversity, equity, and inclusion are not primarily political devices, but a set of moral ideas meant to improve human wellbeing and harmony. DEI is used as a political device by people who are not driven by a desire for human wellbeing.
It's also useful to ask "if you don't support DEI, is it diversity, equity or inclusion you have an issue with?"
Should certain people or certain kinds of people be excluded? Is that why inclusion is bad?
What's bad about equity? Should things be inequitable? Should certain people get preferential treatment? If so, which people and why?
Or, is it diversity that's the problem? Is uniformness important? Is it so important that it's reasonable to exclude people who don't come from the right backgrounds or don't look a certain way?
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The obligatory follow up image
Or, replace the chain link fence with a dodgy internet stream of the game. It's unjust that some people don't get to see the game, and other people who paid for a ticket do.
(only partially joking)
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That is a very insightful comment and I thank you for sharing it with us all - and it bears repeating:
Diversity, equity, and inclusion are a set of moral ideas meant to improve human well-being and harmony.
Therefore, to be opposed to diversity, equity, and inclusion would imply that one is not driven by a desire for human well-being.
I will remember this. Thank you. (Nice username!)
As much as it sounds good, this is not an argument that will convince anyone who is against DEI (and honestly while DEI usually seems implemented quite well it's not any better of an argument than "North Korea is called the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, so they're a democracy").
The people that are against DEI mostly fall in 2 categories. One is flat out racists, which have no issues being against these values. The other are those that believe that the implementation of DEI is in some way bad and discriminatory. This is ime often based on sensationalized news about a few edge cases or stories that were twisted to a degree where they're basically made up. They don't need to be told that diversity, equity and inclusion are good values, they need to be informed about the fearmongering being just that.
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Or, replace the chain link fence with a dodgy internet stream of the game. It's unjust that some people don't get to see the game, and other people who paid for a ticket do.
(only partially joking)
You see freeloaders. I see people watching a game. Could just be a park? There's no stands or tickets or anything.
Like a rorschach test revealing some cognitive bias. Maybe some introspection is in order.
I'm not perfectly clear on your point, but it read like only people who have money should get to watch at all?
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You see freeloaders. I see people watching a game. Could just be a park? There's no stands or tickets or anything.
Like a rorschach test revealing some cognitive bias. Maybe some introspection is in order.
I'm not perfectly clear on your point, but it read like only people who have money should get to watch at all?
If it's just a park, why aren't the spectators in the park?
I think the original is just meant to be a simple concept without a fully fleshed out world. In the true original version, it's only meant to differentiate between equality and equity. It does that by showing that equality gives everyone the same resources, but equity focuses more on ensuring everybody has the same outcomes.
By changing the wall into a chain-link fence and labelling that as justice, it basically opens the door to asking more questions about this world being depicted. Why is there a wall in the first place? In most cases when you have spectators at a sporting event who have to stand on something to see over a wall, it's because it's a professional sporting event that sells tickets, and doesn't want people who haven't bought tickets to be able to see the event.
If justice is removing the wall and replacing it with a chain-link fence people can see through, what does that mean for the world of professional sports? Are people who didn't buy tickets entitled to view the game regardless of buying tickets to see it? If you take that concept more broadly, should people be able to access any good or service they want without having to pay for it?
I'm mostly just making fun of the over simplified world depicted in the meme.
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Summary
Denmark and the Netherlands criticized Trump’s demand that foreign companies with U.S. government contracts eliminate diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI).
Denmark called for a coordinated EU response, labeling the move a potential trade barrier.
The Trump administration sent letters to European firms—including in France and Belgium—warning they must comply with a DEI ban or risk losing U.S. contracts.
European officials condemned the letters, defending DEI as essential to corporate responsibility. The EU Commission is reviewing the situation, while the U.S. State Department called the effort a compliance measure.
Use Export Tariff on ASML products and services.
They need ASML for the new factories, so they'll have to buy it anyway.
That should make up for the loss of revenue on the other products and services Netherlands lose to the Tariffs and US DEI demands -
I can only imagine that EU is just quietly finding ways to not be dependent on the US right now.
What Trump is doing/does is unacceptable. But US citizens have been groomed to accept everything from their perceived leader.
EU has not been groomed to accept these things. They know to just ignore while they can and get ready for a trade war, cold war, or any sort of war.
Speak for yourself, but there are a whole lot of us here that don't want anything he's selling. Not all of us have been "groomed to accept everything from their perceived leader." Also a lot of us that are genuinely embarrassed about his actions and their impacts on the rest of the world and want it to stop nowish.
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It's also useful to ask "if you don't support DEI, is it diversity, equity or inclusion you have an issue with?"
Should certain people or certain kinds of people be excluded? Is that why inclusion is bad?
What's bad about equity? Should things be inequitable? Should certain people get preferential treatment? If so, which people and why?
Or, is it diversity that's the problem? Is uniformness important? Is it so important that it's reasonable to exclude people who don't come from the right backgrounds or don't look a certain way?
Is it bad to be a minority?
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I love that this article expands DEI into diversity, equity, and inclusion. It's important to remember that diversity, equity, and inclusion are not primarily political devices, but a set of moral ideas meant to improve human wellbeing and harmony. DEI is used as a political device by people who are not driven by a desire for human wellbeing.
In the case of the EU however as well as a bunch of European countries, DEI is literally part of the constitution. But hey, Dump and his team would need to inform themselves on other countries to know that
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Use Export Tariff on ASML products and services.
They need ASML for the new factories, so they'll have to buy it anyway.
That should make up for the loss of revenue on the other products and services Netherlands lose to the Tariffs and US DEI demandsHopefully they have kill switches built into their machines and can turn them off if needed?.
ASML is literally the piviot on which the entire tech world balances.
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Speak for yourself, but there are a whole lot of us here that don't want anything he's selling. Not all of us have been "groomed to accept everything from their perceived leader." Also a lot of us that are genuinely embarrassed about his actions and their impacts on the rest of the world and want it to stop nowish.
About 2/3 of the voting population didn't think he was enough of a threat to vote against him
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It's not even the worst ideologically driven madness Pushed on foreign nations. The George W. Bush administration used aid programs to coerce African nations to focus on faith based birth control initiatives (such as abstinence) during the HIV epidemic leading to absolutely massive numbers of infected across the continent.
I mean, I don't know if I can necessarily rank one of those as being worse that the other. Telling Europe that it needs to deny its own racist legacy of colonialism in order to continue dealing with the U.S. is pretty damn bad. Maybe HIV is a more modern problem, but colonialism killed a lot more Africans.
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I can only imagine that EU is just quietly finding ways to not be dependent on the US right now.
What Trump is doing/does is unacceptable. But US citizens have been groomed to accept everything from their perceived leader.
EU has not been groomed to accept these things. They know to just ignore while they can and get ready for a trade war, cold war, or any sort of war.
The US has been like this since forever, it's just that this time it really went off a cliff.
The US never had been a real democracy, not like countries that don't well, and until it is at the same level, it should just be ignored by the rest of the world
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I mean, I don't know if I can necessarily rank one of those as being worse that the other. Telling Europe that it needs to deny its own racist legacy of colonialism in order to continue dealing with the U.S. is pretty damn bad. Maybe HIV is a more modern problem, but colonialism killed a lot more Africans.
Hear me out... colonialism made HIV possible.
