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    This is some serious unprecedented bullshit. Especially when their charge was money laundering. Basically he is making money laundering legal. Go ahead and break the law. Trump will pardon you...

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    Kinda makes sense no? Corporations are people and are treated as such in courts.

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      This is some serious unprecedented bullshit. Especially when their charge was money laundering. Basically he is making money laundering legal. Go ahead and break the law. Trump will pardon you...

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      Your democracy is falling apart because of it is an empire in late decadence. Its systems of checks and balances are collapsing.

      The world is getting more war friendly because as dominant empires fall apart internally, nations want to do stuff they weren't allowed to when the big bad empire had more control.

      This is all part of the natural life cycle of empires. Best case scenario is they fizzle out with protection from another empire, like Great Britain did. Worst case scenario is really bad.

      Expect to see more of this kind of thing in the future. Might be a good time to consider going somewhere else, cause things could get really ugly. These problems are terminal and at this point it doesn't really matter who gets elected. It'll keep falling apart. I say this with sadness. My country also got screwed by the USA, but if it hadn't it would have been some other empire. Such is the life of the small poor nation.

      I'm sorry, but I think it's important to see this for what it is and to adapt.

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        Kinda makes sense no? Corporations are people and are treated as such in courts.

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        Well, except criminal court where sentencing is a joke because no human is held accountable.

        Kill a bunch of people? That'll be a fine you pass on to your customers.

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          This is some serious unprecedented bullshit. Especially when their charge was money laundering. Basically he is making money laundering legal. Go ahead and break the law. Trump will pardon you...

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          Let’s see if he’ll pardon Luigi Mangione or Edward Snowden. 😏

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          • pudutr0n@feddit.clP [email protected]

            Your democracy is falling apart because of it is an empire in late decadence. Its systems of checks and balances are collapsing.

            The world is getting more war friendly because as dominant empires fall apart internally, nations want to do stuff they weren't allowed to when the big bad empire had more control.

            This is all part of the natural life cycle of empires. Best case scenario is they fizzle out with protection from another empire, like Great Britain did. Worst case scenario is really bad.

            Expect to see more of this kind of thing in the future. Might be a good time to consider going somewhere else, cause things could get really ugly. These problems are terminal and at this point it doesn't really matter who gets elected. It'll keep falling apart. I say this with sadness. My country also got screwed by the USA, but if it hadn't it would have been some other empire. Such is the life of the small poor nation.

            I'm sorry, but I think it's important to see this for what it is and to adapt.

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            This is all part of the natural life cycle of empires. Best case scenario is they fizzle out with protection from another empire, like Great Britain did. Worst case scenario is really bad.

            You’re saying Russia is invading Ukraine and China is getting ready to invade Taiwan because the US has less control because of decadence?

            This is all part of the natural life cycle of empires. Best case scenario is they fizzle out with protection from another empire, like Great Britain did. Worst case scenario is really bad.

            This isn’t even the first time in US history that they’ve become isolationist.

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              This is all part of the natural life cycle of empires. Best case scenario is they fizzle out with protection from another empire, like Great Britain did. Worst case scenario is really bad.

              You’re saying Russia is invading Ukraine and China is getting ready to invade Taiwan because the US has less control because of decadence?

              This is all part of the natural life cycle of empires. Best case scenario is they fizzle out with protection from another empire, like Great Britain did. Worst case scenario is really bad.

              This isn’t even the first time in US history that they’ve become isolationist.

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              Yes, I am.

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                Well, except criminal court where sentencing is a joke because no human is held accountable.

                Kill a bunch of people? That'll be a fine you pass on to your customers.

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                “A fine is a price” - John Rogers

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                • pudutr0n@feddit.clP [email protected]

                  Yes, I am.

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                  Not a wild take at all. I'd bet money the guy you're replying to thinks America's evil is unique to it alone.

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                    Not a wild take at all. I'd bet money the guy you're replying to thinks America's evil is unique to it alone.

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                    I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but that is what I actually think. Like, that's just what empires do imo. Sharks can be pretty brutal to smaller fish. Empires are brutal to smaller nations. It's just how it works. Nothing personal, the way I see it. vOv

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                      Kinda makes sense no? Corporations are people and are treated as such in courts.

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                      I refuse to parrot the phrase "corporations are people" unless I'm being clearly sarcastic, or add, "the shitty US supreme court has incorrectly ruled that" beforehand.

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                        I refuse to parrot the phrase "corporations are people" unless I'm being clearly sarcastic, or add, "the shitty US supreme court has incorrectly ruled that" beforehand.

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                        ?? It’s the same in Canada, and the EU as far as I am aware. It’s a pretty normal thing?

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                          I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but that is what I actually think. Like, that's just what empires do imo. Sharks can be pretty brutal to smaller fish. Empires are brutal to smaller nations. It's just how it works. Nothing personal, the way I see it. vOv

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                          This is an oversimplification that ignores nuance.

                          It’s like saying “everyone dies one day, so whatever symptoms you are experiencing automatically mean you are dying now”.

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                            This is an oversimplification that ignores nuance.

                            It’s like saying “everyone dies one day, so whatever symptoms you are experiencing automatically mean you are dying now”.

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                            Technically, you'd be right though.

                            But yes, I ignored nuance. Would you like to talk about nuance?

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                              Well, except criminal court where sentencing is a joke because no human is held accountable.

                              Kill a bunch of people? That'll be a fine you pass on to your customers.

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                              "Corporations are people driving cars"

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                                Not a wild take at all. I'd bet money the guy you're replying to thinks America's evil is unique to it alone.

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                                I don’t think evil is part of the human condition.

                                Humans have complex language, and are capable of learning, adjusting behaviour, and building culture over time.

                                Capitalism is a system that teaches and enforces greed and exploitation. It’s natural for endpoint is the destruction of our environment and the enslavement of humanity.

                                But if we lived under a different system that was not capitalism and instead fostered sustainable, egalitarianism, while also allowing us to cooperatively build technology to improve our lives, I believe this is something that we could build a culture around. It’s not that we’re pre-programmed a certain way and always destined to fall into the same trap…. Just when you create and enforce a system that expects infinite growth within a finite system, that forces people to compete over and hoard resources then of course you’re going to get greed, exploitation, and eventually collapse.

                                Another world and another way of being is possible if we build it over time.

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                                  ?? It’s the same in Canada, and the EU as far as I am aware. It’s a pretty normal thing?

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                                  I remember when capitalists first claimed this idea. It was seen as ridiculous, but then got pushed through. So maybe it’s something that you’ve been conditioned to or grown up with accepting as the way things are.

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                                    "Corporations are people driving cars"

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                                    If a corporation used self driving cars that’s exactly how an accident would be dealt with….

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                                      Not a wild take at all. I'd bet money the guy you're replying to thinks America's evil is unique to it alone.

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                                      America’s evil is unique to it alone.

                                      More American exceptionalism.

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                                        If a corporation used self driving cars that’s exactly how an accident would be dealt with….

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                                        Since I wasn't clear at all in my first comment: I'm referring to the fact that people can also get away with murder, as long as they're driving a car at the time. Very rarely is it much more than a slap on the wrist, but it's always significantly less than any other form of negligent homicide.

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                                          Let’s see if he’ll pardon Luigi Mangione or Edward Snowden. 😏

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                                          you mean the guy that his DOJ just said they wanted dead?

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