Pope Francis has died

[louslash@sh.itjust.works]

I am surpringly annoyed about Americans somehow finding a way to make this about themselves

And turning it into politics, because there is no otger way to talk about things

Sure, discussing politics is important to some degree, but it isn't the most important thing in our lifes

One of the most important persons in the world (atleast for catholics) has died. We shouldn't laugh about it. We shouldn't politicize it. We shouldn't take it to any other context.

I'm surprised and sad at the same time. Even tho i like edgy memes and memes about Pope John Paul II (he is a legend in Poland and polish community do meme about him but in a very respectful way), i really find it bad to do so about Pope Francis right now - so i dislike any post like this

[scranulum@lemm.ee]

Yeah yeah yeah you've spammed the same thing all over the thread and I don't give a fuck. We all know the issues with religion.

It's already been shown elsewhere you're sensationalizing old stories to turn another person's death into your soapbox. It's crass, and it turns people away from your message. If you're going to use someone's death as a jumping-off point for pointless masturbatory anti-religious rhetoric, be prepared for people to see it for what it is and you for what you are. Or at least use a fucking thesaurus dude.

[philpo@feddit.org]

Yeah. It's more than annoying, especially as it's the same old Vance joke again and again and again.
Which isn't even clever.

I am not a Christian by any means but I worked with them quite often. Francis did change a lot of things and while he wasn't in no way perfect - he did have his drawbacks, for a fucking pope he was much better than anyone before him within the last few hundred years.
People (especially on the internet)nowadays expect other people, especially political leaders to "check all their boxes" and if one thing is not going as far as they want, they are alienated.

Often I have the impression that as long as someone is not going "all the way" in the right direction they are seen as bad as someone who does not do anything at all or goes in the wrong direction. (Which is ironic because the church itself has evolved past the "saint or sinner" directive)

Francis has been going in the right direction probably 60% of the way and 10% in the wrong direction. Is the Catholic church there yet? No.
Is there a big chance it might turn back? Yes.
Would he been elected if he was so reformist it was sure he would topple everything and go 100%? Surely not.

But he did much more than any of his predecessors did.

Any much more most commenters do.

Besides: It's okay to feel sorry for an old man dying. That's called fucking compassion.
I work in healthcare and have seen a lot of people die. I feel sorry for almost all of them.

In the end a human has died. Period.

[bieren@lemmy.world]

This is sad. He was indeed a great pope. But, WTF did JD do?

[saleh@feddit.org]

I think in terms of the church the term "conservative" does not necessarily align with the political understanding. The largest shift in the church is demographic. White Europeans are loosing power rapidly in the catholic church. Subsequently the catholic church will align less and less with "Western" conservatives, and their imperialist understanding of geopolitics.

I expect to see much more opposition of "christian conservative" politicians in Europe towards the catholic church.
Ironically just yesterday the president of the German federal parliament of the "christian conservative" CDU told the Churches to shut up about politics.

[saleh@feddit.org]

If your concept of a religious institution that has more than a billion people listening to it is reduced to "homophobic cult", how does that differ from being part of a "bigoted cult" because you condemn people based on your simplistic understanding of their religion?

[index@sh.itjust.works]

The catholic church is indeed a homophobic cult that condemns homophobia as a sins for which you get punished in hell, having million of followers or being popular doesn't change the fact. Scientology has millions of followers are we going to give them any credibility because of that?

[saleh@feddit.org]

How does your sentiment differ from someone who would say:

The catholic church LGBT is indeed a homophobic sinful cult that condemns homophobia as a sins for which you get punished in hell religion as being a homophobic cult, having million of followers or being popular doesn’t change the fact.

You take the broadest brush and just stroke over everything, instead of being willing to accept any nuance.

[mubelotix@jlai.lu]

Of course the worst pro-russia troll would also troll against catholicism, why am I surprised

[d_c@lemm.ee]

Wait, so the vaccine hating vp bowman visits the Vatican and the next day the pneumonia suffering Pope dies. Coincidence...?

[oliver@lemmy.skumring.com]

It would be more than coincidence if the next Pope was an ultra-conservative, GOP-friendly guy from the US and A. Of course this would never happen, but.... ehm... who knows?