Just started a community for those who wish to move away from Lemmy
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Don't forget that admins can literally turn the modlog off on their instance to hide mod actions from others and who did them. How can anyone think that accountability limiting features is a good thing, especially coming from Reddit.
it's piefed, not lemmy
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My thought is that Piefed is too eager to curate my experience and too heavily promoted of late to be believably organic
It reeks of an organized, astroturfed attempt to effectively centralize the fediverse.
Following the lemm.ee announcement, moderators were looking for a way to migrate communities
Piefed had such feature: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/45876492?scrollToComments=true
No need to think of an organized campaign when one platform has a feature that people are looking for
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I don't really agree that it's an attempt to centralize the fediverse but I do think that the push and praise for it feels extremely unnatural, especially how people are bragging about liking and wanting the reputational features of it, and being able to hide the modlog. Like dude those are the biggest reasons people left Reddit, and now suddenly "people" are just going gaga for those same anti-features. That seems more than fishy to me...
Beehaw has been asking for better moderation tools for two years, it's nothing new.
Also the lemm.ee admins burnout made people question how to deal with toxic users
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Don't forget that admins can literally turn the modlog off on their instance to hide mod actions from others and who did them. How can anyone think that accountability limiting features is a good thing, especially coming from Reddit.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]As much as public modlogs are required, the lack of accountability of some mods repeatedly reported for power tripping makes me question sometimes if all of this is not in vain.
[email protected] is still the most popular privacy community
[email protected] is still the most popular world news community
On the other hand, there are several features that Lemmy always ignored, and that exist on Piefed
- consolidated comment view for all crossposts
- actual instance blocking
- multicommunities
- keyword filters
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Yeah this is like the worst feature of Reddit taken to the extreme by the ability to filter out upvotes from communities, but still allowing downvotes from those communities to hurt your score. I can't support a platform like that.
I will check, but IIRC downvotes on ignored communities aren't accounted either
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The reputational anti-features are part of what makes me suspicious. I agree entirely with your impression of it.
And the unnatural and extremely sudden increase in mentions - over just the last week or so, it's gone from Piefed almost never being mentioned anywhere to it being mentioned in hundreds if not thousands of threads a day. That also makes me suspicious.
The other thing though is Piefed's automated subscription feature, which, if it gains enough clout, will allow it to effectively promote or undermine, as the devs prefer, communities or even entire instances, and to erect a barrier to entry for new communities and new instances, simply by granting or withholding inclusion on its subscription lists. That's the primary thing that triggers my suspicion.
Well - that and the fact that aside from anti-features like reputation and automated subscriptions, I don't see anything notable about the software, and to the degree that it differs from lemmy or mbin, it seems if anything to be inferior, which makes the sudden flood of praise just that much more suspicious.
wrote on last edited by [email protected], I don’t see anything notable about the software, and to the degree that it differs from lemmy or mbin,
- consolidated comment view for all crossposts
- actual instance blocking
- multicommunities
- keyword filters
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Recently joined and started a community for people who want to move away from Lemmy and want to see Lemmy loosen its stranglehold on the threadiverse, if that seems like something interesting to you consider checking out [email protected]
there is nothing wrong with lemmy.
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i presume you're questioning the assertion that it seems like an attempt to effectively centralize the fediverse?
Yes - anyone is free to start an instance.
However, a new instance is not going to get any communities on Piefed's preset list of subscrptions, nor is any community which the Piefed devs, for whatever reason, disapprove of or oppose or simply dislike. And that means that if Piefed can gain enough users (by, for instance, astroturfing the appearance of greater popularity than it in fact currently enjoys), then it will be able to effectively gatekeep the fediverse - to undermine or advance existing instances and create an insurmountable barrier to entry for new instances, by granting or withholding positions on its list of communities to which users are automatically subscribed.
Additionally, it seeks to do essentially the same thing to individual users, by instituting a karma system (something that the rest of the fediverse has not coincidentally avoided, since it was and is so easily and often abused on Reddit) and by automatically collapsing responses with 10 or more downvotes (it would be child's play to use bots to deal out ten downvotes to whoever one pleased). Again, if it can attract enough users, it will then have enough clout to effectively control the narrative not just in its own communities, but throughout the fediverse.
And those potentialities, in combination with the fact that Piefed has gone from being rarely if ever even mentioned at all to, in just the last few days, being mentioned hundreds if not thousands of times a day in threads on virtually any topic, makes me highly suspicious.
So I understand, if I created my own instance of Piefed, the original developers have backdoor access to manage my communities?
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So I understand, if I created my own instance of Piefed, the original developers have backdoor access to manage my communities?
That's incorrect, I don't know why the person you're replying too is thinking this
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That's incorrect, I don't know why the person you're replying too is thinking this
I may be misunderstanding
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I may be misunderstanding
The Piefed developers don't have backdoor access to remote communities.
What they have access to, is that communities they want to promote during the onboarding process, but that's not much more different than Lemmy already allowing admins to have "default blocks" for new joiners: https://lemmy.zip/post/33065677
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"Stranglehold" lmao. They invented the threadiverse and they are welcoming other implementations like mbin and piefed. That's the opposite of a stranglehold.
Go cancel yourself
The capitalfascists are trying everyrhing they can to destabilize any attempt at anything free. I'm not saying piefed is that but the amount of recent tries to cancel the lemmy devs and now lemmy itself does reek like capfash.
@[email protected] do you guys know that a couple of these attempts are being made? Please update us if more stuff like this pops up.
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I will check, but IIRC downvotes on ignored communities aren't accounted either
That's not what it says in the building healthy communities section. It said that upvotes in "low quality communities" aren't counted but downvotes are.
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it's piefed, not lemmy
Yes that's what I'm pointing out, it's an anti-feature of piefed, not Lemmy.
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As much as public modlogs are required, the lack of accountability of some mods repeatedly reported for power tripping makes me question sometimes if all of this is not in vain.
[email protected] is still the most popular privacy community
[email protected] is still the most popular world news community
On the other hand, there are several features that Lemmy always ignored, and that exist on Piefed
- consolidated comment view for all crossposts
- actual instance blocking
- multicommunities
- keyword filters
As much as public modlogs are required, the lack of accountability of some mods repeatedly reported for power tripping makes me question sometimes if all of this is not in vain.
Maybe it seems that way since mods don't always or often yield to pressure on YPTB, but if there wasn't a modlog or if they could hide it and not announce actions publicly. We wouldn't even know. People would still complain about their bans but there would be no public evidence. No one could make a critical assessment based on the public evidence it would be the banned person's word against the mods. That's what a life without the modlog is, that's what it is on Reddit. I do not believe that real people want to go back to that. Server admins and mods maybe but not people.
On the other hand, there are several features that Lemmy always ignored, and that exist on Piefed
I believe the second, third, and possibly the fourth one are coming in later Lemmy versions.
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That's not what it says in the building healthy communities section. It said that upvotes in "low quality communities" aren't counted but downvotes are.
@[email protected], we might want to revisit this, maybe it would be more fair to discount votes on those communities altogether
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As much as public modlogs are required, the lack of accountability of some mods repeatedly reported for power tripping makes me question sometimes if all of this is not in vain.
Maybe it seems that way since mods don't always or often yield to pressure on YPTB, but if there wasn't a modlog or if they could hide it and not announce actions publicly. We wouldn't even know. People would still complain about their bans but there would be no public evidence. No one could make a critical assessment based on the public evidence it would be the banned person's word against the mods. That's what a life without the modlog is, that's what it is on Reddit. I do not believe that real people want to go back to that. Server admins and mods maybe but not people.
On the other hand, there are several features that Lemmy always ignored, and that exist on Piefed
I believe the second, third, and possibly the fourth one are coming in later Lemmy versions.
wrote on last edited by [email protected]No one could make a critical assessment based on the public evidence it would be the banned person’s word against the mods.
I agree. I'll ask Rimu to enable the modlog on Piefed.social.
It just got enabled on https://piefed.world/modlog (so similar to https://quokk.au/modlog), it should appear in a few hours
I believe the second, third, and possibly the fourth one are coming in later Lemmy versions.
Let's talk again once they are here.
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As much as public modlogs are required, the lack of accountability of some mods repeatedly reported for power tripping makes me question sometimes if all of this is not in vain.
Maybe it seems that way since mods don't always or often yield to pressure on YPTB, but if there wasn't a modlog or if they could hide it and not announce actions publicly. We wouldn't even know. People would still complain about their bans but there would be no public evidence. No one could make a critical assessment based on the public evidence it would be the banned person's word against the mods. That's what a life without the modlog is, that's what it is on Reddit. I do not believe that real people want to go back to that. Server admins and mods maybe but not people.
On the other hand, there are several features that Lemmy always ignored, and that exist on Piefed
I believe the second, third, and possibly the fourth one are coming in later Lemmy versions.
Enabled and working
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Recently joined and started a community for people who want to move away from Lemmy and want to see Lemmy loosen its stranglehold on the threadiverse, if that seems like something interesting to you consider checking out [email protected]
Get a job
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Yes I don't think that demolishing whole ecosystems is a good thing. I think that it's a shitty mentality of wanting shiny and new shit and fixing what isn't broken. I am a believer in legacy support and I find it weird and concerning to see and hear people complain about it. You do realize that if Python had been the Web's scripting engine instead of JS, a lot of Websites would've been, and still would be trashed and unusable due to said breaking changes with zero regard for legacy support. Thankfully that wasn't the case, but it does go to show that legacy support and backwards compatibility is important.
But python isn't the webs scripting engine.
If it was, browsers would have support for python3 and 2.
