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  • archmageazor@lemmy.worldA [email protected]

    The amount of indie games in my "best games of the year" list is increasing year by year.

    Corpos are skilled at wringing any and all interesting bits out of something and reducing it to harmless, overdone slop that still sells. They don't take risks because that may make them $5 less. But indies do.

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    Corpos are skilled at wringing any and all interesting bits out of something and reducing it to harmless, overdone slop that still sells. They don't take risks because that may make them $5 less. But indies do.

    I'm still amazed at how Gearbox managed to royally fuck up Risk of Rain 2. They had a great game with solid foundations handed to them, and they somehow managed to both regress the game logic into being tied to framerate and release a buggy mess of a DLC in one fell swoop.

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      What's interesting to me is the lack of crossover between the two. As far as I'm aware, no popular Youtube creator has ever successfully transitioned to doing Hollywood movies or TV shows. Sure there's been the occasional cameo, short-lived series, or direct to streaming movie, but none of them had any staying power. Why isn't Hollywood treating youtube as a farm league for new talent and IP that they can snatch up and exploit after the market for it is proven?

      To be clear, I'm not saying I want that to happen. The good content creators deserve better as far as I'm concerned. But the opportunity seems so obvious that I'm truly baffled at the apparent lack of interest.

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      Good creators get paid. Why split the buck with Hollywood rapists I mean producers?

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        I've yet to see a "high quality YouTube Show that's not just copying stuff that's been researched by real journalists or documentaries on TV, cobbled together with cheap stock photos and/or Blender Animations

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        My favourite journalism outlet is Jung & naiv. They are German but purely YouTube based and donation funded. They do very long interviews with relevant political figures from the chancellor to the UN Special Rapporteur on Torture.
        Another german creator who made a full blown fiction series with CGI and of a quality that is equal to traditional production companies is Julien Bams 'Songs aus der Bohne'.

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        • lichtmetzger@discuss.tchncs.deL [email protected]

          Olan Rogers made Final Space and he's working on Lightspeed right now. It had a pretty successful run and has a loyal fanbase, despite it being cancelled.

          But yeah, stories like these are very rare.

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          Bee and Puppycat to Netflix too.

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            I’ve never seen a YouTuber that actually meets that description though

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              I’ve never seen a YouTuber that actually meets that description though

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              I can think of a few off hand but the best to come to mind is the dude who did the Astartes videos.

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              • P [email protected]

                It's not that they're allergic to money but rather the inflated sense of self-importance and ego. To rightsholders and executives, it's unthinkable that fans could come up with something better and profitable using the intellectual property that they earned (read: bought) fair and square. And if someone somehow did, it's a threat to the bottom line, not something to embrace and encourage.

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                it's fucked up that the creator cannot make his art, that he created, because it's own by a company.

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                  I’ve never seen a YouTuber that actually meets that description though

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                  Out of Joel Haver's insane challenge of making 12 feature films in 12 months that nobody watches because they just want the cartoon filter shorts, I loved these two films:

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbZDX_J3nOE

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RS5dUZ2WNg

                  I liked 2 others, but these were the strongest of the bunch IMO.

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                    it's fucked up that the creator cannot make his art, that he created, because it's own by a company.

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                    Reminds me of an old story about the game director Chris Taylor. He wanted to make a second iteration to bis game "Total Annihilation" since he promised to do so to his fans. However the current rightsholder, Atari, refused to sell the rights to him and instead took it as a business opportunity. They announced they'd do it themselves (without Taylor). The project got immediately canceled after the public reaction exploded in their faces (this was before social media).

                    Taylor still didn't get the rights to his creation back and proceeded to do it anyway with a new name, "Supreme Commander" (with great success). Atari only lost both money and public good will. This still worked though since there wasn't that much of a public mass manipulation machinery. With social media Atari could've potentially gotten through with it.

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                      Reminds me of an old story about the game director Chris Taylor. He wanted to make a second iteration to bis game "Total Annihilation" since he promised to do so to his fans. However the current rightsholder, Atari, refused to sell the rights to him and instead took it as a business opportunity. They announced they'd do it themselves (without Taylor). The project got immediately canceled after the public reaction exploded in their faces (this was before social media).

                      Taylor still didn't get the rights to his creation back and proceeded to do it anyway with a new name, "Supreme Commander" (with great success). Atari only lost both money and public good will. This still worked though since there wasn't that much of a public mass manipulation machinery. With social media Atari could've potentially gotten through with it.

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                      same thing happened to Kerbal Space Program

                      they want to make a "good" sequel. but corporate says no.

                      so the creator and some mod makers are making their own knockoff Kitten Space Agency.

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                        I’ve never seen a YouTuber that actually meets that description though

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                        We could quibble over the definition of "a show" but a good place to start would be:

                        Big Top Burger

                        The Gaslight District

                        MonkeyWrench

                        Auralnauts' Larry series

                        Mummy Joe's Kid Vampire

                        Natural Habitat Shorts

                        Speedoru's Punch Punch Forever

                        Space Station Weird by Luke Humphris

                        Gobelins (entire channel)

                        DoodletmeGO (ditto)

                        Bite Shift by Liz & Ivy

                        Don Hertzfeldt

                        Lazy Square

                        Felix Colgrave

                        Bravest Warriors on Cartoon Hangover

                        The "5 Second Day" playlist from titmouse studio

                        Lackadaisy

                        Otaking (random animations)

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                          I’ve never seen a YouTuber that actually meets that description though

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                          Then you're wtching the wrong kind of atuff on youtube my dude

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                            What's interesting to me is the lack of crossover between the two. As far as I'm aware, no popular Youtube creator has ever successfully transitioned to doing Hollywood movies or TV shows. Sure there's been the occasional cameo, short-lived series, or direct to streaming movie, but none of them had any staying power. Why isn't Hollywood treating youtube as a farm league for new talent and IP that they can snatch up and exploit after the market for it is proven?

                            To be clear, I'm not saying I want that to happen. The good content creators deserve better as far as I'm concerned. But the opportunity seems so obvious that I'm truly baffled at the apparent lack of interest.

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                            There have been semi-successful Youtube creators who transitioned into the studio system, who mostly never were big on-screen personas but rather worked behind the cameras.

                            The Corridor Crew has talked about how they always wanted to make it in Hollywood, but when they were finally being offered deals it simply was not financially or creatively wise to give up their business just in order to be part of a system where others are in control.

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                              Dropout and Nebula are making some insanely high quality content, and those are just the two obvious examples that came to my mind. Both also exhibit a more progressive business model and are less capitalistic in their thinking.

                              I’m sure there are plenty of similar examples.

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                              I'm still kind of surprised we haven't seen a similar model for gamers/streamers yet.

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