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Remember, some different-than-them folks looking for fundamental rights and common decency was all it took to get 70 million people angry enough to vote in a dictator

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    The lesson to learn is if we run uncharismatic candidates who are substantially further to the right than the Dems voter base, and the most thought the candidate gives the voting base is:

    They have to vote for me. Who else are the left gonna vote for?

    Its fucking "no one", and it's been that same answer for a long time.

    We have a fair DNC now that won't try to shove a conservative down America's throats. So we have a chance to win.

    But if we run a conservative as a Dem, Republicans win.

    It's really fucking tiring to see those conservatives blame trans people for the lose. That had nothing to do with it. It might be the final straw for some people, but there was a shit ton of reasons people couldn't hold their nose this time.

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    Right, because Trump was a better option. Im so glad we imported the fascism directly this time instead of watching it take shape in other countries. Congratulations, we'll all be trying to avoid the death camps at some point in the next 5 years.

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      I get the sentiment, but horrible economic prospects had a lot more to do with this than different people seeking common decency when you get down to it.

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      I honestly do not think that it did.

      That might be what people will tell you (and themselves in some cases), but I don't buy it.

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          Lmao. More seriously, though, Trump did campaign on improving the economy and it helped him a lot. The fact that anyone with half a brain could tell he wasn't going to do that is secondary.

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          • G [email protected]

            The lesson to learn is if we run uncharismatic candidates who are substantially further to the right than the Dems voter base, and the most thought the candidate gives the voting base is:

            They have to vote for me. Who else are the left gonna vote for?

            Its fucking "no one", and it's been that same answer for a long time.

            We have a fair DNC now that won't try to shove a conservative down America's throats. So we have a chance to win.

            But if we run a conservative as a Dem, Republicans win.

            It's really fucking tiring to see those conservatives blame trans people for the lose. That had nothing to do with it. It might be the final straw for some people, but there was a shit ton of reasons people couldn't hold their nose this time.

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            We have a fair DNC now that won’t try to shove a conservative down America’s throats.

            Do you have a link to a story about this? I don't doubt you, I just want to read more about it.

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              I honestly do not think that it did.

              That might be what people will tell you (and themselves in some cases), but I don't buy it.

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              To add to this, the economy is not better for the average person currently, anyone who thought it would be is naive and I just have trouble believing that American's on average are that gullible.

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                We have a fair DNC now that won’t try to shove a conservative down America’s throats.

                Do you have a link to a story about this? I don't doubt you, I just want to read more about it.

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                I'm not sure what you mean...

                The chair has absolute power and is accountable to no one.

                Before the current DNC chair was elected (just a few months ago) they had been head of the Minnesota state party for about a decade.

                That's a very long political track record to look at, and that's why the DNC voting members elected him

                Are you asking for a summary of the last decade of Minnesota state politics that shows Martin ran fair primaries which resulted in progressive Dems getting majorities?

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                • G [email protected]

                  I'm not sure what you mean...

                  The chair has absolute power and is accountable to no one.

                  Before the current DNC chair was elected (just a few months ago) they had been head of the Minnesota state party for about a decade.

                  That's a very long political track record to look at, and that's why the DNC voting members elected him

                  Are you asking for a summary of the last decade of Minnesota state politics that shows Martin ran fair primaries which resulted in progressive Dems getting majorities?

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                  I just wondered if you had a link to a story or analysis summarizing that, since I wasn't aware of any of it. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction, I'll look it up.

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                    Which doesn't make sense either because historically all economic indicators have been better on average during democrat governments than republican ones

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                      Biden: Supply chains, inflation, corporate greed. Stay the course, things are improving over time

                      Trump: Kill healthcare and social programs and deport Brown people. Instant fix.

                      Dumbfucks: I do hate people who aren't like me. And harming others makes me feel better about myself. I'm in.

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                        We all know the economy is bad. But they choose to believe it is caused by trans people and immigrants. So OOP still correct.

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                          Biden: Supply chains, inflation, corporate greed. Stay the course, things are improving over time

                          Trump: Kill healthcare and social programs and deport Brown people. Instant fix.

                          Dumbfucks: I do hate people who aren't like me. And harming others makes me feel better about myself. I'm in.

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                          Biden: Supply chains, inflation, corporate greed. Stay the course, things are improving over time

                          Okay not to defend Republicans, but if I was barely able to afford rent and heard "stay the course" I'd fucking riot. Please don't present Biden's position of "what do you mean? The economy is awesome" as the reasonably side here.

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                            Biden: Supply chains, inflation, corporate greed. Stay the course, things are improving over time

                            Okay not to defend Republicans, but if I was barely able to afford rent and heard "stay the course" I'd fucking riot. Please don't present Biden's position of "what do you mean? The economy is awesome" as the reasonably side here.

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                            I didn't think I was. But a real dumbfuck chooses option B

                            But factually things were improving in spite of corporate greed. But as much as they could have. Now they're not.

                            But this wasn't an essay

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                              When the alternative is to burn everything down, staying the course absolutely is the reasonable option.

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                                Harris also loves Israel and hates Iran and seemed pretty warhawkish during her campaign

                                Edit: if you disagree PLEASE just downvote and don't reply, I'm TREMBLING in fear of your possible replies

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                                  Right, because Trump was a better option. Im so glad we imported the fascism directly this time instead of watching it take shape in other countries. Congratulations, we'll all be trying to avoid the death camps at some point in the next 5 years.

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                                  Ah, but withholding my vote means my soul is pure and I don't own these consequences!

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                                  • G [email protected]

                                    I'm not sure what you mean...

                                    The chair has absolute power and is accountable to no one.

                                    Before the current DNC chair was elected (just a few months ago) they had been head of the Minnesota state party for about a decade.

                                    That's a very long political track record to look at, and that's why the DNC voting members elected him

                                    Are you asking for a summary of the last decade of Minnesota state politics that shows Martin ran fair primaries which resulted in progressive Dems getting majorities?

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                                    Are you asking for a summary of the last decade of Minnesota state politics that shows Martin ran fair primaries which resulted in progressive Dems getting majorities?

                                    I would love this summary if there is one.

                                    The only thing I had heard about the DNC leadership was them electing a progressive to vice chair on "accident" and then kicked him out after they realized he would be supporting progressive canidates

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                                      Lmao. More seriously, though, Trump did campaign on improving the economy and it helped him a lot. The fact that anyone with half a brain could tell he wasn't going to do that is secondary.

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                                      "Okay, so I believed the authoritarian liar -- but I was soooooooo mad! I literally had no choice!"

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                                        Ah, but withholding my vote means my soul is pure and I don't own these consequences!

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                                        Saw a video of Dr Umar admitting to not voting and using it to virtue signal. Like bitch there is an active genocide going on and the community you claim to want to protect and uplift is about to be ratfucked into participating in it.

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                                          If people are drowning, anybody who promises to throw them a life bouy looks like a fucking heroe to them.

                                          Far-Right Populists are riding this effect all over the World all the while mainstream "moderates" entreched in and winning from the current system see nothing wrong with it and persist in trying to sell "steady as she goes" as policy (after all, that's what's best for them personally), something which ressonates with the people who haven't yet been affected by the pillaging of the Economy by the ultra-wealthy - the well-off middle class - but not with those below who are suffering, and as the effects of the pillaging climb higher and higher up the economic ladder, the number of those suffering keeps increasing and so does the appeal of the far-right promises.

                                          I'm actually a member of a small leftwing party in my own country and the current leadership totally fucked the party up in the last decade or so (falling from almost 20 parliamentary representatives to 1) exactly because the new and younger leadership whom the old guard moved over to give room to, were out of touch well-off middle class types who were born with a silver spoon in their mouths and never really had to fight for making a living, and hence started parroting liberal talking points from the anglo-saxon world (because all they know besides the local language is English, and they saw that shit on Twitter and though it was "leftwing") all the while most of the people in the country were feeling the pain and it wasn't related to the political slogans that these people were parroting and the unfairnesses they obcessed about.

                                          The out of touch leftwing-cosplayer crowd will never beat the far-right populists because the latter actually pitch radical solutions for the problems of the many (all complete total bullshit, but many people can't tell so go for it) whilst the former pitch "steady as she goes with a few tweaks" which works only for the "I'm alright" well-off middle class and above, not the many, so won't really appeal to the bulk of voters.

                                          I'm not saying that voting for the far-right populists is right or will actually solve the problems of the many, I'm saying it's understandable that so many end up grabbing what looks like the only lifebouy in front of them.

                                          Any genuine half-way competent leftwing politicians from a priviledged background should realise that their life experience is not representative and that the "inequalities" that are of concern to the upper middle class (a typical example: the "glass ceiling for women to become CEOs") aren't at all the biggest and most painful inequalities out there (they only affect a tiny proportion of people, who are already priviledged compared to most of the population and are not at all in pain) and actually fight against the pains that affect the many even if that requires breaking the very system that made them "winners" the day they were born.

                                          Anyways, now in America we're seeing what far-right populists really are when they have power, similarly to what happened in Brexit Britain some years ago (and the "moderate" politicians there don't seem to have so far learned the lesson and keep on relying on the mathematical rigging of FPTP to get power less and less votes) and of course all their promises were bullshit and their "solutions" only make things worse.

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