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  3. I mean, it’s always been clear that the Holocaust was a teachable moment.

I mean, it’s always been clear that the Holocaust was a teachable moment.

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    I mean, it’s always been clear that the Holocaust was a teachable moment. However I never expected the victims to take home precisely these lessons

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      I mean, it’s always been clear that the Holocaust was a teachable moment. However I never expected the victims to take home precisely these lessons

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      I'm tired of people saying the victims of the holocaust did this.

      not only a tiny minority of the country survived the holocaust, but those people are marginalised in Israel.

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        I'm tired of people saying the victims of the holocaust did this.

        not only a tiny minority of the country survived the holocaust, but those people are marginalised in Israel.

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        Sure, on a personal level, that’s true. But the country identifies its roots and legitimacy as based in and on the holocaust. It’s what its government never gets tired of repeating. Worse: ‘never again’ is actively used as the excuse for genocide.

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          I'm tired of people saying the victims of the holocaust did this.

          not only a tiny minority of the country survived the holocaust, but those people are marginalised in Israel.

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          Indeed.

          Israel was created by amongst others Jewish terrorist groups, who at one point even tried to ally with the Nazis.

          They're the very opposite of Holocaust Survivors (which is probably why in present day Israel, Holocaust survivors are stigmatized and seen as "weak").

          One needs to believe that there's some kind of Jewish Hive-mind (one of the anti-semitic notions imaginable) to think that Israeli Zionists, who share nothing other than etnicity with the survivors of the Holocaust, would have felt the trauma that Holocaust survivors felt.

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            Sure, on a personal level, that’s true. But the country identifies its roots and legitimacy as based in and on the holocaust. It’s what its government never gets tired of repeating. Worse: ‘never again’ is actively used as the excuse for genocide.

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            Imperial power will co-opt, steal, bastardize, and butcher whatever peoples or messages it has to in order to justify its own legitimacy.

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              Indeed.

              Israel was created by amongst others Jewish terrorist groups, who at one point even tried to ally with the Nazis.

              They're the very opposite of Holocaust Survivors (which is probably why in present day Israel, Holocaust survivors are stigmatized and seen as "weak").

              One needs to believe that there's some kind of Jewish Hive-mind (one of the anti-semitic notions imaginable) to think that Israeli Zionists, who share nothing other than etnicity with the survivors of the Holocaust, would have felt the trauma that Holocaust survivors felt.

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              Wanted to joke about the Jewish hivemind being about bagels.

              but then I realized how bagels are almost an American hew thing, and every Jewish community worldwide is so different and diverse, and the largest entity erasing that Jewish diversity is the state of Israel. paving all Jewish heritage with stolen hummus

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                Sure, on a personal level, that’s true. But the country identifies its roots and legitimacy as based in and on the holocaust. It’s what its government never gets tired of repeating. Worse: ‘never again’ is actively used as the excuse for genocide.

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                which is coopted propaganda.

                Zionism predates the holocaust. although one of the motivations for Zionism were other pogroms.

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                  which is coopted propaganda.

                  Zionism predates the holocaust. although one of the motivations for Zionism were other pogroms.

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                  Sure. But the state of Israel is a UN-creation right after WW2, with the holocaust as the explicit motivator

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                    Sure. But the state of Israel is a UN-creation right after WW2, with the holocaust as the explicit motivator

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                    Zionism started way before

                    that's like saying a movie is created when the producer makes a speech at the premier.

                    Also, that vote also created the state of Palestine. so I remind everyone that says Israel has a UN mandate that Palestine has the exact same one.

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