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  • R [email protected]

    I keep getting this sinking feeling that this is all leading up to a precise and coordinated attack of evil.

    Russia bombards the EU, the US attacks Greenland and Canada, while Israel finally bulldozes Gaza and Iran. China takes Taiwan and the south sea.

    All at the same time so NATO is overwhelmed and can’t decisively defend it all without risking spreading too thin. No matter what happens, one of the bad guys gains ground.

    I honestly have no idea if this is even possible, it’s based on a dream I had a few weeks ago.

    Disturbing thought though.

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    ruzzia has had it's teeth pulled by Ukraine, so despite the barbarian posturing, they won't be starting another war for a few years.

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      Honestly, the American far-right unknowingly dismantling US global hegemony piece by piece is pretty sick

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        There are plenty of ruzzian shills and Pootin taint attachees, but the comment you responded to, is an extremely fair one, and probably represents the majority opinion.
        Drumpf is a friend to no one in NATO, and is possibly even an enemy.

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        Trump is not the US. by advocating for the US to leave NATO you weaken the stability of NATO.

        Putin and his lackeys directly benefit from a weak NATO and thus anyone who willingly advocates for the weakening of NATO is either

        1. a Russian shill
        2. too stupid to realize they are shilling for Russia

        I'm not in support of Trump, y'all just keep pushing that narrative on me. which honestly only convinces me you're part of group 1.

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          ah, so you're full of shit and know nothing.

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          Great insight, corporal cumsock

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            If they're going to withdraw then why are they strong arming all the other nations to spending 5% GDP on defense? If they're not in NATO, who gives a fuck what they want?

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            If you think Drumpf may be a Pootin asset, then it makes perfect sense. Spending more GDP on defense usually makes the incumbent party less popular, which may create opportunity for russia leaning candidates. Obviously, this would weaken NATO.
            NATO countries go along with Drumpf because they really still hold some hope that USA won't leave the fold. They are still in the Denial stage of mourning. Anyway, events in Ukraine have shown that more GDP spending on military is pretty much essential for any country within range of ruzzia.

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              Russia has an army that is capable of invading another country. The only country in NATO that have done that is the US.
              I don't think Russia invading the whole of the EU is a realistic possibility but grabbing a few ex Soviet countries off the border...

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              Russia has an army that is capable of invading another country.

              As I said I am pretty sure they can't even properly invade ukraine and are struggling there.

              The only country in NATO that have done that is the US.

              I am not an expert on this but I am pretty sure a bunch of EU countries joined the US in afghanistan.

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                The Soviet Union collapsing is what allowed the war in Ukraine. Do you see why rising military budgets in Europe doesn't exactly promote peace?

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                Tell it to Pootang, Yuri !

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                • R [email protected]

                  that is the less undesirable outcome, but still it is depressing how primitive and fucking dumb humans are to still be bashing each others skulls in in the year 2025.

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                  Defending yourself is so dumb, hey?
                  Go and whine to Pootin. Everyone else has to react to the bully, or go extinct.
                  Pacifism has no place so long as there is ONE invader/bully left.

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                    I had so many brain dead idiots attack me over at Reddit, for claiming America would withdraw from NATO if trump won. They weren’t just Americans, but also Europeans.

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                      Trump is not the US. by advocating for the US to leave NATO you weaken the stability of NATO.

                      Putin and his lackeys directly benefit from a weak NATO and thus anyone who willingly advocates for the weakening of NATO is either

                      1. a Russian shill
                      2. too stupid to realize they are shilling for Russia

                      I'm not in support of Trump, y'all just keep pushing that narrative on me. which honestly only convinces me you're part of group 1.

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                      Trump isn't the representative of the US? That's great news but it's not aligned with reality

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                        I had so many brain dead idiots attack me over at Reddit, for claiming America would withdraw from NATO if trump won. They weren’t just Americans, but also Europeans.

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                        He did hint at it during his first term. So it wasn't an unprecedented prediction. Especially when it has become obvious that the previous guard rails have come off.

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                          The death of NATO is a good fucking thing. No more US military bases in the EU, no more forced expenditure of civil budget in weapons causing austerity, no more bombing of Libya and Yugoslavia, no more US influence in European politics. If you're European you should salivate at the thought of NATO ending.

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                          The end of NATO doesn't mean any of that. We have bases in non-NATO countries too, so obviously that isn't because of NATO. It does mean Russia has almost free reign to invade more countries. If Russia can cause issues without being part of an alliance like NATO, why do you think the US can't when it's not part of NATO?

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                            If the US leaves NATO, Europe would lose a lot of support.

                            If the US stays in NATO, they would refuse to support them anyway and could use their veto power to stop any potential action.

                            If they're not going to have the support of the US military either way, and the US staying in NATO could prevent the organization from taking any action at all, it may be in the best interest of Europe for the US to leave NATO so they can't cripple it from within.

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                            You're confusing NATO with the UN.

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                              Can the US get invaded yet? Someone needs to bring us some freedom...

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                                Won’t go anywhere. But it’s a nice try.

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                                  Mike Lee? The guy who proposed a federal porn ban?

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                                    Sorry I’m not supporting an imperialist military organization that bombs civilians and has had nazi leadership

                                    Edit: Crazy this opinion is downvoted

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                                    LOL Pootin troll spotted.
                                    Shouldn't you be digging babushka a fresh latrine pit, Yuri? The old one is full and Pootang needs it to recruit more of YOU from.

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                                      Sorry I’m not supporting an imperialist military organization that bombs civilians and has had nazi leadership

                                      Edit: Crazy this opinion is downvoted

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                                      So, you don't support Pootin and ruzzia, then?

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                                        Tell it to Pootang, Yuri !

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                                        Putin is famously the president of the Russian Republic, very different from the Soviet Union. I don't know why you thinking me criticising what Russia has become somehow makes me Russian?

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                                          Mike Lee is obviously a fucking traitor lol Americans stand up for your country and shoot the motherfucker

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