Is there any counter AI bots in the fediverse
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People do things for fun sometimes.
This is not the same as playing basketball. Unleashing AI bots "just for the fun of it" ends up effectively poisoning the well.
No, it's not the same. I was using basketball as an analogy. Someone who doesn't enjoy basketball wouldn't "get it", just as you're not "getting" the fun that can come from building and playing around with AI bots. Different people find different things to be fun.
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cross-posted from: https://lemmings.world/post/21993947
Since I suggested that I'm willing to hook my computer to an LLM model and to a mastodon account, I've gotten vocal anti AI sentiments. Im wondering if fediverse has made a plug in to find bots larping as people, as of now I haven't made the bot and I won't disclose when I do make the bot.
I’m starting to think this account is the LLM experiment. A poor one, though. It just keeps saying the same thing and not accepting new information.
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To implement counter AI measures, best way to counter AI is to implement it.
You are jumping into this conclusion with no real indication that it's actually true. The best we get for any type of arms race is a forced stalemate due to Mutually Assured Destruction. With AI/"Counter" AI, you are bringing a medicine that is worse than the disease.
Feel free to go ahead, though. The more polluted you make this environment, the more people will realize that it is not sustainable unless we started charging from everyone and/or adopt a very strict Web of Trust.
Well the only way to know I'm write or wrong with certainty is to test myself. It's like we both don't know if I'm right. I'm going to figure it out because I'll investigate and I'll have fun investigating.
The alternative is we don't do anything about the LLM bots on the fediverse and they just integrate in. Also there's only one way to see if your MAD is correct
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No, it's not the same. I was using basketball as an analogy. Someone who doesn't enjoy basketball wouldn't "get it", just as you're not "getting" the fun that can come from building and playing around with AI bots. Different people find different things to be fun.
I completely understood your analogy, and I certainly understand the fun in tinkering with technology. What you might be missing is that it seems that OP is planning to write a bunch of bots in here and then test how well people can detect them, and that affects other people.
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Well the only way to know I'm write or wrong with certainty is to test myself. It's like we both don't know if I'm right. I'm going to figure it out because I'll investigate and I'll have fun investigating.
The alternative is we don't do anything about the LLM bots on the fediverse and they just integrate in. Also there's only one way to see if your MAD is correct
You don't do tests in an actual production environment. It is unethical and irresponsible.
Feel free to do your experiments on your servers, with people who are aware that they are being subject to some type of experiment. Anything else and I will make sure to get as many admins as possible to ban you and your bots from the federation.
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cross-posted from: https://lemmings.world/post/21993947
Since I suggested that I'm willing to hook my computer to an LLM model and to a mastodon account, I've gotten vocal anti AI sentiments. Im wondering if fediverse has made a plug in to find bots larping as people, as of now I haven't made the bot and I won't disclose when I do make the bot.
Moderation on the Feviderse is different than on commercial platforms because it's context-dependent instead of rules-dependent. That means that a user accout (bot or otherwise) that does not contribute to the spirit of a community will not be welcomed.
There is largely no incentive to run an LLM that is a constructive member of a community, bots are built to push an agenda, product, or exhibit generally disruptive behavior. Those things are unwelcome in spaces built for discussion. So mods/admins don't need to know "how to identify a bot", they need to know "how to identify unwanted behavior".
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I know and it's up to the accounts author to do that. I know when I made my bot on mastodon. And counter measure against ai should start
I really don't think this place is about bot warfare. Usually our system works well. I've met one person who used ChatGPT as a form of experiment on us, and I talked a bit to them. Most people come here to talk or share the daily news or argue politics. Wit the regular Linux question in between. It's mostly genuine. Occasionally I have to remind someone to tick the correct boxes, mostly for nsfw, because the bot owners generally behave and set this correctly, on their own.
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I’m starting to think this account is the LLM experiment. A poor one, though. It just keeps saying the same thing and not accepting new information.
There's that Lemmy hostility I like
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You don't do tests in an actual production environment. It is unethical and irresponsible.
Feel free to do your experiments on your servers, with people who are aware that they are being subject to some type of experiment. Anything else and I will make sure to get as many admins as possible to ban you and your bots from the federation.
How's it unethical?
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Moderation on the Feviderse is different than on commercial platforms because it's context-dependent instead of rules-dependent. That means that a user accout (bot or otherwise) that does not contribute to the spirit of a community will not be welcomed.
There is largely no incentive to run an LLM that is a constructive member of a community, bots are built to push an agenda, product, or exhibit generally disruptive behavior. Those things are unwelcome in spaces built for discussion. So mods/admins don't need to know "how to identify a bot", they need to know "how to identify unwanted behavior".
There is and it's propaganda. Even I knew ai has been used in propaganda for months now
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I really don't think this place is about bot warfare. Usually our system works well. I've met one person who used ChatGPT as a form of experiment on us, and I talked a bit to them. Most people come here to talk or share the daily news or argue politics. Wit the regular Linux question in between. It's mostly genuine. Occasionally I have to remind someone to tick the correct boxes, mostly for nsfw, because the bot owners generally behave and set this correctly, on their own.
Lol not the place for bot warfare
. That's like saying America isn't a place for class warfare and yet the rich already mobilized. Plus someone is probably doing the same thing as me and not disclosed it -
How's it unethical?
You want to write software that subverts the expectations of users (who are coming here with the expectation they will be chatting with other people) and abusing resources provided by others who did not ask you to help you with any sort of LLM detection.
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You want to write software that subverts the expectations of users (who are coming here with the expectation they will be chatting with other people) and abusing resources provided by others who did not ask you to help you with any sort of LLM detection.
That doesn't answer my question and it's not coherent. Like I'm apparently "abusing resources" when I use a bot but not when I use a bot to make a leaderboard that tracks fediverse streamers stats or if I make the content with fleshy brain, just my resources.
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That doesn't answer my question and it's not coherent. Like I'm apparently "abusing resources" when I use a bot but not when I use a bot to make a leaderboard that tracks fediverse streamers stats or if I make the content with fleshy brain, just my resources.
There is a big difference if your bot provides functionality that is good for the community and a bot that does only things that interests you.
People are asking you not to do this. So, if you want to do it, do it on your resources. I'm saying that as someone who set up almost 20 different instances (alien.top + the topic specific instances) just to have a place to run the mirroring bots.
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Ahhhhh I doubt average Lemmy users are smart enough to detect LLM content. I already thought of a few ways to find LLM bots
The further get down this thread, the more you sound like a person I don’t want to deal with. And looking at the downvotes, I’m not the only one.
If you want people blocking you, perhaps followed by communities and instances blocking you as well, carry on.
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Lol not the place for bot warfare
. That's like saying America isn't a place for class warfare and yet the rich already mobilized. Plus someone is probably doing the same thing as me and not disclosed itIt is like I said. People on platforms like Reddit complain a lot about bots. This platform is kind of supposedto be the better version of that. Hence nit about the same negative dynamics. And I can still tell ChatGPT's uniquie style and a human apart. And once you go into detail, you'll notice the quirks or the intelligence of your conversational partner.
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Imo their style of writing is very noticeable. You can obcure that by prompting LLM to deliberately change that, but I think it's still often noticeable, not only specific wordings, but higher-level structure of replies as well. At least, that's always been the case for me with ChatGPT. Don't have much experience with other models.
That’s not entirely true. University assignments are scanned for signs of LLM use, and even with several thousand words per assignment, a not insignificant proportion comes back with an ‘undecided’ verdict.
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That’s not entirely true. University assignments are scanned for signs of LLM use, and even with several thousand words per assignment, a not insignificant proportion comes back with an ‘undecided’ verdict.
With human post-processing it's definitely more complicated. Bots usually post fully automatic content, without human supervision and editing.
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/r/SubSimGPT2Interactive/ does this.
Absolute banger subreddit
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There is a big difference if your bot provides functionality that is good for the community and a bot that does only things that interests you.
People are asking you not to do this. So, if you want to do it, do it on your resources. I'm saying that as someone who set up almost 20 different instances (alien.top + the topic specific instances) just to have a place to run the mirroring bots.
The lllm bot is meant to provide the function of flagging llm bots that operate on the fediverse.
I'm listening to you people but I'm not getting good reasons as to why I should do it in a certain way or even to not do it.
Reason does take precedent over request. Y'all are strangers to me and none of you are actually attempting to hear me out as I doing for you.
