UK police probe Bob Vylan's festival chants against Israeli military, as US revokes band's visas
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I said if. So do support the occupied figjting the invaders or not?
wrote on last edited by [email protected]How did you go from talking about an English artist performing in England, chanting towards an English crowd about killing foreign army, to asking if I support defending your own nation aganst invaders
Do you think I'm supporting the horrors of the IDF because I refuse to stand up and chant death to the IDF?
I go to free palistine protests in my own country, I probably do more than most but I draw the line at calling for murder.
Extremeism is scary
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So if someone say death to hanas you will also remove the post right?
wrote on last edited by [email protected]Absolutely correct. No wishing death on ANYONE.
The hardest one was when Henry Kissinger died, because, well, Henry Kissinger. LOL. Lots of reminders of "No celebrating death", but I mean, it WAS Kissinger.
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Does this include the Russian military?
What about indirect stuff such as "The Ukrainians should crush the Russian invaders" ?
Indirect stuff I generally let slide, other mods may or may not. Plausible deniability and all that.
But yes, the videos some other communities allow showing drone attacks on Russian soldiers, cheering when people get killed? We'd remove those.
Of course a top level post would be removed because we don't allow video posts, but as a comment, I'd remove those too.
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Nooo poor Hitler
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How did you go from talking about an English artist performing in England, chanting towards an English crowd about killing foreign army, to asking if I support defending your own nation aganst invaders
Do you think I'm supporting the horrors of the IDF because I refuse to stand up and chant death to the IDF?
I go to free palistine protests in my own country, I probably do more than most but I draw the line at calling for murder.
Extremeism is scary
How stupid can you be. You want paleatinians do do nothing when the idf is comiting all the crimes? Death to idf can only happen in palestine where they have the right to kill invaders
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This kind of reasoning immediately makes me think of MLK's famous quote:
the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action
You're gonna compare chants at a festival to MLK? Come on.
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There was a really interesting podcast on the AP style and its entrenched biases - but only available to subscribers:
https://www.canadaland.com/podcast/bonus-who-writes-the-rules-of-news/
An article on the same topic:
https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/how-the-ap-stylebook-warps-reality-to-serve-power
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Mods can't stop the mouvement
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They should be more neutral in a non-opinion piece. They quote a lot more people saying pro-genocide things than they quote people saying anti-genocide things. They quoted pro-genocide politicians and pro-genocide BBC staff. They did not give the musicians any opportunity to respond to the article.
Israelās war against Hamas in Gaza has inflamed tensions around the world, triggering pro-Palestinian protests in many capitals and on college campuses. Israel and some supporters have described the protests as antisemitic, while critics say Israel uses such descriptions to silence opponents
Let's consider the two positions mentioned in this paragraph:
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Israel should stop committing genocide
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Israel should continue committing genocide, and position 1 is antisemitic
The first position is described as "pro-Palestinian", as if these protesters support the Palestinian military (Hamas) and want them to win. This is incorrect. These people mostly just want the genocide to end.
The second position is a shitty opinion, but also contains an overt falsehood. It's an objective fact that it's false, and that fact should be reported in the story, but it isn't.
I agree that they didnāt use enough anti-genocide supporters, their sources were one sided.
But your second critique would require a complete rewrite and would change the article completely.
I agree that pro vs anti genocide is the better way to approach the conflict, however, for reporting purposes, it makes more sense to call it an Israel vs Palestine conflict. Calling it pro vs anti genocide means that you have taken the position of calling the conflict a genocide (which I agree with, it is genocide). But as the article states, Israel does not see this as a genocide and neither do a lot of governments.
AP describes the conflict as a war of Israel against Hamas. Not a war of Israel against Palestine. This could be interpreted as 1) diminishing the genocide and 2) reporting on one specific facet of the conflict ie Israel against Hamas forces, which it could be argued, is a different conflict than Israel against the Palestinian people. This also means that by the articles definitions, Palestinian supporters are different than Hamas supporters.
Their second position does not say one side is correct and one side is wrong. They say
Israel and some supporters have described the protests as antisemitic
Israel and their supporters, not the AP describe protests as antisemitic.
critics say Israel uses such descriptions to silence opponents.
Critics, not the AP, say Israel is incorrect in their antisemitic descriptions.
If the article did what you wanted, it would be an opinion piece about how we need to call the conflict a genocide, and all future reporting should reflect this.
I donāt think this article is very supportive of the Palestinian peopleās struggles. I also donāt think it supports the Israelis. It is tip-toeing the very fragile line of (falsely accused) antisemitism that they write about. It isnāt perfect, but itās unfair to call it pro Israel.
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Absolutely correct. No wishing death on ANYONE.
The hardest one was when Henry Kissinger died, because, well, Henry Kissinger. LOL. Lots of reminders of "No celebrating death", but I mean, it WAS Kissinger.
I'm confused about the rule can you explain it a bit more clearer?
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They should be more neutral in a non-opinion piece. They quote a lot more people saying pro-genocide things than they quote people saying anti-genocide things. They quoted pro-genocide politicians and pro-genocide BBC staff. They did not give the musicians any opportunity to respond to the article.
Israelās war against Hamas in Gaza has inflamed tensions around the world, triggering pro-Palestinian protests in many capitals and on college campuses. Israel and some supporters have described the protests as antisemitic, while critics say Israel uses such descriptions to silence opponents
Let's consider the two positions mentioned in this paragraph:
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Israel should stop committing genocide
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Israel should continue committing genocide, and position 1 is antisemitic
The first position is described as "pro-Palestinian", as if these protesters support the Palestinian military (Hamas) and want them to win. This is incorrect. These people mostly just want the genocide to end.
The second position is a shitty opinion, but also contains an overt falsehood. It's an objective fact that it's false, and that fact should be reported in the story, but it isn't.
Also I think what is really shitty is that outlets report on a genocide in this matter. But this article was about the response to Bob Vylan. I think both of us are angry about how anything related to the genocide has to be reported as the Israel Palestine conflict unless you want to receive an extremely negative response to your reporting.
Hell if we want to be all intellectual we can brand this as another symptom of the global capitalist system. AP canāt afford to call this a genocide. No news/corporation is brave enough to stand up to the genocide because itās gonna hurt their bottom line.
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Death Death to the IDFThis was on the mind of Hamas fighters on October 7th. It actually resulted in lots of death to Palestinians.
Peace and coexistence brings life, future, and prosperity to Palestinians, not eternal war.
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I would say it is slightly. But only because of the part where you would keep shooting after reloading.
Today on the menu we have pureed Hitler Ć la Inglorious basterds.
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How stupid can you be. You want paleatinians do do nothing when the idf is comiting all the crimes? Death to idf can only happen in palestine where they have the right to kill invaders
wrote on last edited by [email protected]when did I say that? and now you're name calling?
You're not listening to anything I have to say and fabricating an argument which I'm not saying from absolutely nowhere
I don't know why I bother trying to talk to people like you. goodbye
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when did I say that? and now you're name calling?
You're not listening to anything I have to say and fabricating an argument which I'm not saying from absolutely nowhere
I don't know why I bother trying to talk to people like you. goodbye
Never heard about something called deduction ?
