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    This isn’t about race, it’s about class, at least for the demographics that the democrats are targeting. Kamala is mixed race but she represents the interests of the owning class and she just did absolutely nothing to sway votes in her favor. Trump is arguably much worse, but people should stop pretending a white candidate would have won over republican voters.

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    Idk bringing out the big guns of a cheney instead I’d her progressive VP pick in the final days of the campaign should have sealed it. Must be racism.

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    • thebat@lemmy.worldT [email protected]

      What else was the alternative? A mixed-race woman as President?

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      I'm laughing to keep from crying.

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      • thebat@lemmy.worldT [email protected]

        What else was the alternative? A mixed-race woman as President?

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        Yeah, I'm not playing your stupid "pick one zionist or another" game. I despise republicans, and always have, but I despise traitors on my own side even more. If its a choice between fighting the people we've always fought or fighting the murderous traitors in our own midst who espouse the same evils our enemies do, for sure I'm going to clean house of the traitors first, and give them 10x what I would give a traditional enemy. Backstabbers deserve no less, and Harris was a backstabber.

        And your main point, that this betrayer a mixed race woman? Who cares. its hard to describe to me how much that doesnt matter. A snake in your house is a snake no matter its color.

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          Yeah, I'm not playing your stupid "pick one zionist or another" game. I despise republicans, and always have, but I despise traitors on my own side even more. If its a choice between fighting the people we've always fought or fighting the murderous traitors in our own midst who espouse the same evils our enemies do, for sure I'm going to clean house of the traitors first, and give them 10x what I would give a traditional enemy. Backstabbers deserve no less, and Harris was a backstabber.

          And your main point, that this betrayer a mixed race woman? Who cares. its hard to describe to me how much that doesnt matter. A snake in your house is a snake no matter its color.

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          So all based on your last sentence, you're partially responsible for the shit storm we're in now?

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            Yeah, I'm not playing your stupid "pick one zionist or another" game. I despise republicans, and always have, but I despise traitors on my own side even more. If its a choice between fighting the people we've always fought or fighting the murderous traitors in our own midst who espouse the same evils our enemies do, for sure I'm going to clean house of the traitors first, and give them 10x what I would give a traditional enemy. Backstabbers deserve no less, and Harris was a backstabber.

            And your main point, that this betrayer a mixed race woman? Who cares. its hard to describe to me how much that doesnt matter. A snake in your house is a snake no matter its color.

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            So sounds like people like you are partially to blame for all this crazy shit.

            And Trump will be worse directly with Palestine, just give him time. He’s seemingly already given Israel the go-ahead to kill whoever they want. What was it that Israeli official said in the video a week ago - the worst is yet to come?

            Trump will add a cherry on top for you and build a golf course or strip mall in Gaza over the wreckage and remains of dead Palestinians.

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            • S [email protected]

              This isn’t about race, it’s about class, at least for the demographics that the democrats are targeting. Kamala is mixed race but she represents the interests of the owning class and she just did absolutely nothing to sway votes in her favor. Trump is arguably much worse, but people should stop pretending a white candidate would have won over republican voters.

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              This is THE problem. Statements like this. She did the ONLY thing she had to do. The failing was not hers, it was COLLECTIVELY ours. The failing was not making her president. How are people still not getting that no matter what, she was clearly and without doubt the better choice. THAT is what matters. Everyone trying to split hairs and justify her not winning, still doesn't get it.

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                This is THE problem. Statements like this. She did the ONLY thing she had to do. The failing was not hers, it was COLLECTIVELY ours. The failing was not making her president. How are people still not getting that no matter what, she was clearly and without doubt the better choice. THAT is what matters. Everyone trying to split hairs and justify her not winning, still doesn't get it.

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                Not to mention people who wouldn't vote for Donald Trump spouting this bullshit when all evidence directly calls out manipulation from Elon himself as well as Putin himself. Those two factors should be taking precedence in everyone who didn't vote for Trump's minds. Not this half baked "she didn't try hard enough" bullshit.

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                  Yeah, I'm not playing your stupid "pick one zionist or another" game. I despise republicans, and always have, but I despise traitors on my own side even more. If its a choice between fighting the people we've always fought or fighting the murderous traitors in our own midst who espouse the same evils our enemies do, for sure I'm going to clean house of the traitors first, and give them 10x what I would give a traditional enemy. Backstabbers deserve no less, and Harris was a backstabber.

                  And your main point, that this betrayer a mixed race woman? Who cares. its hard to describe to me how much that doesnt matter. A snake in your house is a snake no matter its color.

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                  I despise republicans, and always have, but I despise traitors on my own side even more.

                  Completely understandable on an emotional level, but if you're not careful this can easily turn into an accidental alliance with Republicans, and it often does.

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                    This is THE problem. Statements like this. She did the ONLY thing she had to do. The failing was not hers, it was COLLECTIVELY ours. The failing was not making her president. How are people still not getting that no matter what, she was clearly and without doubt the better choice. THAT is what matters. Everyone trying to split hairs and justify her not winning, still doesn't get it.

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                    This is getting old. The failing has escalated over the last decades, when politicians of all parties abandoned the working class / middle class and catered towards the ultra rich instead. They gradually shifted to the right and now the republicans are right wing extremists and the democrats are a right wing party too. Biden and Harris allowed the Gaza genocide to unfold and continued many of Trump‘s policies on migration even though they could have reverted them easily. They chose to serve their donors instead of the people and people just got tired of it. The democrats have themselves to blame, not the people pointing their failures out.

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                      Yeah, I'm not playing your stupid "pick one zionist or another" game. I despise republicans, and always have, but I despise traitors on my own side even more. If its a choice between fighting the people we've always fought or fighting the murderous traitors in our own midst who espouse the same evils our enemies do, for sure I'm going to clean house of the traitors first, and give them 10x what I would give a traditional enemy. Backstabbers deserve no less, and Harris was a backstabber.

                      And your main point, that this betrayer a mixed race woman? Who cares. its hard to describe to me how much that doesnt matter. A snake in your house is a snake no matter its color.

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                      What's really trite and "privelaged" is scolding others because they didn't make Palestine their only voting concern. I guess the death of the US and every vulnerable group in it is worth it to people with that opinion.

                      On a very personal level, I'm trans. Your voting ideology has directly contributed to the loss of my rights, my safety, and my future. Go ahead and scold me because some bomb I had no say in was used halfway across the world to kill children. I just wanted people to vote for the person who wouldn't make SS black bag people in broad daylight.

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                      • thebat@lemmy.worldT [email protected]

                        What else was the alternative? A mixed-race woman as President?

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                        Kamala is part of the problem. Unchecked neoliberal capitalism has created Trump. Yes, obviously, I would prefer the status quo over fascism. We all would.

                        But as long as the majority of the country is financially insecure fascism will rise. Establishment DNC is just as guilty as the establishment GOP in causing this tragedy

                        you keep feeding the oligarchs long enough and they attempt a coup.

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                        • K [email protected]

                          Yeah, I'm not playing your stupid "pick one zionist or another" game. I despise republicans, and always have, but I despise traitors on my own side even more. If its a choice between fighting the people we've always fought or fighting the murderous traitors in our own midst who espouse the same evils our enemies do, for sure I'm going to clean house of the traitors first, and give them 10x what I would give a traditional enemy. Backstabbers deserve no less, and Harris was a backstabber.

                          And your main point, that this betrayer a mixed race woman? Who cares. its hard to describe to me how much that doesnt matter. A snake in your house is a snake no matter its color.

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                          and to be clear, I didnt vote for either Harris or Trump. I left just that section blank.

                          Well, fuck you. You don't get a say, then.

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                            Yeah, I'm not playing your stupid "pick one zionist or another" game. I despise republicans, and always have, but I despise traitors on my own side even more. If its a choice between fighting the people we've always fought or fighting the murderous traitors in our own midst who espouse the same evils our enemies do, for sure I'm going to clean house of the traitors first, and give them 10x what I would give a traditional enemy. Backstabbers deserve no less, and Harris was a backstabber.

                            And your main point, that this betrayer a mixed race woman? Who cares. its hard to describe to me how much that doesnt matter. A snake in your house is a snake no matter its color.

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                            Wow, you taught Democrats a real lesson there! At the cost of even more Palestinian lives!

                            "We did it, Patrick, we saved Palestine!"

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                              This is THE problem. Statements like this. She did the ONLY thing she had to do. The failing was not hers, it was COLLECTIVELY ours. The failing was not making her president. How are people still not getting that no matter what, she was clearly and without doubt the better choice. THAT is what matters. Everyone trying to split hairs and justify her not winning, still doesn't get it.

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                              The failing was decades and centuries ago that led to this. Power has been consolidating in the presidency since the constitution was signed as the legislature and courts are happy to give more and more of their power over to the executive.

                              We've only been protected by being lucky having presidents and their staff with genuine care for the intent of the constitution.

                              This was only a matter of time. It wasn't our fault. This is America.

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                                Wow, you taught Democrats a real lesson there! At the cost of even more Palestinian lives!

                                "We did it, Patrick, we saved Palestine!"

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                                I wasnt out to teach a lesson, I was out to let this place implode. I dont export our countries war crimes to other places because thats momentarily more convenient for me-- like you'd prefer.

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                                  and to be clear, I didnt vote for either Harris or Trump. I left just that section blank.

                                  Well, fuck you. You don't get a say, then.

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                                  Thats fine. Youve got blood on your hands.

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                                    What's really trite and "privelaged" is scolding others because they didn't make Palestine their only voting concern. I guess the death of the US and every vulnerable group in it is worth it to people with that opinion.

                                    On a very personal level, I'm trans. Your voting ideology has directly contributed to the loss of my rights, my safety, and my future. Go ahead and scold me because some bomb I had no say in was used halfway across the world to kill children. I just wanted people to vote for the person who wouldn't make SS black bag people in broad daylight.

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                                    I guess the death of the US and ..blah blah blah

                                    That was a winnable race. Harris dchose to lose listening to her zionist boss, her zionist husband and her zionist campaign manager brother in law. I am just a voter with some ethics unlike you lot of war crimes jrs.

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                                      So sounds like people like you are partially to blame for all this crazy shit.

                                      And Trump will be worse directly with Palestine, just give him time. He’s seemingly already given Israel the go-ahead to kill whoever they want. What was it that Israeli official said in the video a week ago - the worst is yet to come?

                                      Trump will add a cherry on top for you and build a golf course or strip mall in Gaza over the wreckage and remains of dead Palestinians.

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                                      Biden/Harris killed almost 50 thousand people on their watch. It'll be much more when the bones of dead civilians pinned under rubble are actually counted.

                                      If you were honest you'd say you considered both of the candidate to be equal on the gaza war crimes and you voted to keep the rest of your life going undisturbed

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                                        I guess the death of the US and ..blah blah blah

                                        That was a winnable race. Harris dchose to lose listening to her zionist boss, her zionist husband and her zionist campaign manager brother in law. I am just a voter with some ethics unlike you lot of war crimes jrs.

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                                        No, you aren't a voter. You told us you didn't vote (for president anyway). That's the point.

                                        Your moral grandstanding helped make the very issue you are championing completely unrecoverable, and a bunch of us are now under the bus as a result. Palestinians are almost certain to be wiped out now, no matter how badly many of us wanted to end the genocide and hold Israel accountable. You have cut off your nose to spite your face.

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                                          So all based on your last sentence, you're partially responsible for the shit storm we're in now?

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                                          I dont vote for any mass murderer. You did. I chose not to participate and let the system do its stuff without me.

                                          If everyone votes like you do we're always going to have a dem who's slightly better than the fascist from here on out. You voted to keep that going.

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