I'm not against Jews, I'm against Israel.
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Zionism isn't a religious colonizing movement? Is Israel not a Jewish ethnostate? To say that this isn't related to Judaism in some way is disingenuous.
if anything it's a christian colonialist project. the superstars of colonialism, the brits are mainly to thank here. but all of that is besides my point.
again, jews and arabs lived side by side before Israel was a state. jews were Jewish and arabs were mostly Muslim back then as well. if it really were about religious differences they wouldn't be living in peace before.
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if anything it's a christian colonialist project. the superstars of colonialism, the brits are mainly to thank here. but all of that is besides my point.
again, jews and arabs lived side by side before Israel was a state. jews were Jewish and arabs were mostly Muslim back then as well. if it really were about religious differences they wouldn't be living in peace before.
Why set up a Jewish state if it wasn't the goal? Look I get it, anti-Semitism is shit. Jews are targeted for something that they aren't responsible for. But all of these politics and war crimes are, unfortunately, covered in Jewish flavor. That's a problem for all Jews, I think. To combat this by saying religion has no part in this isn't working.
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It wasn’t meant as a gotcha, just an observation that they didn’t learn from the Nazis, near the same holy war has been going for a really long time with a few names changing, and it’s tiresome.
This is a misunderstanding of how modern Israel got to its current state.
There were Jews in Palestine before the state of Israel was established.
The issue isn't some ancient conflict, it's that without working with the natives of the region, the British government and UN unilaterally declared that they were making a colonialist ethnostate and took land from the native population for that purpose.
This isn't some biblical tale as old as time. The region was (relatively) peaceful.
It's very similar the gigantic fuck up of the India Pakistan split based on religion.
As it turns out, religious ethnostates established by the displacement of natives creates a huge cluster fuck.
And even with all that, things are as bad as they are today because over the last 3 decades Israel has used every conflict as a tool to militarize and isolate Palestinians.
Palestinians aren't blameless, but they've been blamed enough for the problems of Israel. Much like the IRA's bombings were uncalled for, that doesn't mean Britain wasn't to blame for a lot of the problems of Ireland.
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Why set up a Jewish state if it wasn't the goal? Look I get it, anti-Semitism is shit. Jews are targeted for something that they aren't responsible for. But all of these politics and war crimes are, unfortunately, covered in Jewish flavor. That's a problem for all Jews, I think. To combat this by saying religion has no part in this isn't working.
they set up a Jewish state because european countries didn't want to accept Jewish migrants. they used the holy land as an excuse to tell Jewish people to fuck off to Palestine where they can replace some brown people rather than bother white christians.
again, if the problem was really the religion it would be there before the establishment of the Israeli state. I'm telling you that the religions of both peoples were constant while the political move was the variable that changed. that's how you find causes, however much you'd like to chalk this up to religion bad.
I hear the same shit from people who blame Iran's situation on their religion when again it was clearly the very blatant meddling of colonial forces. they had the same religion before and after the revolution. the thing that changed was the US replacing a democratically elected head of state with a stooge. people love to cover for the atrocities of western powers by pretending it's all about religious disputes.
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Exactly, anyone with two braincells realizes the implications.
Do you go in blazing, making it clear you're trying to minimize collateral damage and treat people with respect while getting the job done?
Or do you go in blazing, setting people's houses on fire and killing medics?
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they set up a Jewish state because european countries didn't want to accept Jewish migrants. they used the holy land as an excuse to tell Jewish people to fuck off to Palestine where they can replace some brown people rather than bother white christians.
again, if the problem was really the religion it would be there before the establishment of the Israeli state. I'm telling you that the religions of both peoples were constant while the political move was the variable that changed. that's how you find causes, however much you'd like to chalk this up to religion bad.
I hear the same shit from people who blame Iran's situation on their religion when again it was clearly the very blatant meddling of colonial forces. they had the same religion before and after the revolution. the thing that changed was the US replacing a democratically elected head of state with a stooge. people love to cover for the atrocities of western powers by pretending it's all about religious disputes.
Why does Israel decry it's criticism of the genocide as anti-semitism if it has nothing to do with it's religion? Israelis do use Judaism as a justification for their actions, is that not in doubt? Whatever happened in the past has no bearing on the immense suffering caused by a flag that symbolizes Judaism right now.
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There is a difference between having a dominant ethnic identity and being an ethnostate.
Israel is only 75% Jewish
Obviously they’re trying to be an ethnostate and like to commit genocide. But it’s not like they’re doing that purely bc it’s only one group of people within their borders.
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Israel is only 75% Jewish
Obviously they’re trying to be an ethnostate and like to commit genocide. But it’s not like they’re doing that purely bc it’s only one group of people within their borders.
Ethnostate refers to them explicitly having written in their constitution that they are a state for ethnic Jews. Any civilized country has a constitution that grants human rights to ebery human and certain civil rights based on citizenship. Israel explicitly is designed as an ethnic supremacy apartheid state.
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Ethnostate refers to them explicitly having written in their constitution that they are a state for ethnic Jews. Any civilized country has a constitution that grants human rights to ebery human and certain civil rights based on citizenship. Israel explicitly is designed as an ethnic supremacy apartheid state.
Ahh that makes the comment I was replying to make way more sense. Didn’t fully realize the extent to which Israel is founded on ethnic superiority
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It's almost as if the lesson should be that Jews aren't unique and are just like any other people. And if you put any group of people into an explicit ethnostate, that group of people is going to turn into Nazis.
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Well we exist in the present, not the past. There's not much to be gained today by sanctioning the Italians for the genocide their ancestors committed against the Gauls.
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This is a misunderstanding of how modern Israel got to its current state.
There were Jews in Palestine before the state of Israel was established.
The issue isn't some ancient conflict, it's that without working with the natives of the region, the British government and UN unilaterally declared that they were making a colonialist ethnostate and took land from the native population for that purpose.
This isn't some biblical tale as old as time. The region was (relatively) peaceful.
It's very similar the gigantic fuck up of the India Pakistan split based on religion.
As it turns out, religious ethnostates established by the displacement of natives creates a huge cluster fuck.
And even with all that, things are as bad as they are today because over the last 3 decades Israel has used every conflict as a tool to militarize and isolate Palestinians.
Palestinians aren't blameless, but they've been blamed enough for the problems of Israel. Much like the IRA's bombings were uncalled for, that doesn't mean Britain wasn't to blame for a lot of the problems of Ireland.
Not that Britain was blameless here, but they didn’t really have a choice. The Zionist terrorists were going to take country by force, so Britain/UN just capitulated, legitimising and putting in power that group.
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Why does Israel decry it's criticism of the genocide as anti-semitism if it has nothing to do with it's religion? Israelis do use Judaism as a justification for their actions, is that not in doubt? Whatever happened in the past has no bearing on the immense suffering caused by a flag that symbolizes Judaism right now.
never hears of propaganda I guess. maybe look it up. so this is what you do, take fascists at their word, is that it?
i wonder what nazis thought about criticisms of nazi germany. I bet they had some correct assessments.
dude not gonna lie, when I first started arguing against your shit I thought it was just a neckbeard atheist thing, but at this point I think you're just desperate to justify antisemitism.
not interested in arguing with bigots.
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never hears of propaganda I guess. maybe look it up. so this is what you do, take fascists at their word, is that it?
i wonder what nazis thought about criticisms of nazi germany. I bet they had some correct assessments.
dude not gonna lie, when I first started arguing against your shit I thought it was just a neckbeard atheist thing, but at this point I think you're just desperate to justify antisemitism.
not interested in arguing with bigots.
Reading the thread that's my take as well. It very much reads like he's soft peddling neonazi bullshit.
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Ethnostate refers to them explicitly having written in their constitution that they are a state for ethnic Jews. Any civilized country has a constitution that grants human rights to ebery human and certain civil rights based on citizenship. Israel explicitly is designed as an ethnic supremacy apartheid state.
All Israeli citizens have the same rights under Israeli law.
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