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What are your grammar bugbears?

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    "It" is a pronoun.

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    It is, given the thread thanks for the correction. Fixed

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    • lasherz12@lemmy.worldL [email protected]

      I understand it's controversial, but people who don't put the final comma in a list before "and" which then groups the final two items as one erroneously.

      Also, when people put a space before a comma. I'm not sure why they do that, but it's cemented in some people's brains who speak fluent English from childhood onward.

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      I see where you're coming from. In school we were also taught to NOT put a comma before 'and' if it's a list. I also didn't quite get it, and found it weird. However, if you consider 'and' and a comma serving the same purpose (linking the elements in a list), then putting a comma before 'and' would just make either of them redundant. I'm not saying I prefer either of the two, but at least there is a reason to it.

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      • fedegenerate@lemmynsfw.comF [email protected]

        There's value in accentuating a point, don't let me make you feel otherwise. Just for me, personally, I don't like using i.e.

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        Thank you ❤️

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        • fedegenerate@lemmynsfw.comF [email protected]

          'Who' Vs 'whom'.

          Answer the question with 'he' Vs 'him' and match the 'm's is an easy rule of thumb.

          He went to the park: who went to the park?

          You called him: Whom did you call?

          I understand why it's falling out of usage, as the strong SVO eliminates the need for accusatives, I wouldn't be surprised if 'him' and 'her' go away next. Knowing and using 'whom' sure helped me with the '-n' affix when learning Esperanto though, also fuck '-n' signed: English speakers. Replace the word with whom, him or her and if it's clumsy you don't need the -n.

          Now, if I could just wrap my head around 'si' Vs 'li', 'ŝi' and 'ri'. Or, a solid rule of thumb, that would be so nice. I promise I'm not a toddler, I just talk like one.

          🎵Whom ya gonna call? Ghostbusters!!!🎵

          I'm sorry

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          I always wondered why it wasn't "Dr. Whom."

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          • D [email protected]

            I see where you're coming from. In school we were also taught to NOT put a comma before 'and' if it's a list. I also didn't quite get it, and found it weird. However, if you consider 'and' and a comma serving the same purpose (linking the elements in a list), then putting a comma before 'and' would just make either of them redundant. I'm not saying I prefer either of the two, but at least there is a reason to it.

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            The issue comes in when you consider there are times you'd want to group things. Example:

            I would like a toolbox with 4 drawers: Nuts and bolts, screws, washers and chisels.

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              You do something ON purpose or BY accident, you don't do anything ON accident!

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              “On the weekend”. I think that fits too.

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                #57

                “Then” when it should be “than”.

                People starting sentences with “I mean”, and no prior context.

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                • D [email protected]

                  “On the weekend”. I think that fits too.

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                  Eh, you can have things you need to do on the weekend, but you can also have things you need to do by the weekend.

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                  • N [email protected]

                    Eh, you can have things you need to do on the weekend, but you can also have things you need to do by the weekend.

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                    Quite happy to be wrong but my original point was it’s grammatically incorrect. I think so anyway.

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                      When people formulate questions as statements, because it throws me out of my reading flow ha ing to correct my inner voice.

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                      • L [email protected]

                        I'm sorry, but, without commas, this is just a mess, and I'm not going to torture myself into reading it.

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                        Your comment, takes 5 minutes to read with that many commas

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                          #62

                          None. Prescriptivism isn't how the world actually works.

                          I do wonder what the second "is" in "the thing is, is that" means. Presumably, there's a logical answer for the speakers.

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                          • lasherz12@lemmy.worldL [email protected]

                            The issue comes in when you consider there are times you'd want to group things. Example:

                            I would like a toolbox with 4 drawers: Nuts and bolts, screws, washers and chisels.

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                            Oh, if anything, unless it's in the last element, it's easier to see paired items in the list ( ',' -> next element; ' and ' -> still the same element, with 'and' inside). When it's the last element, it's indeed ambiguous. And then there's /u/hakase 's comment:

                            “They went to Oregon with Betty, a maid, and a cook”, where Betty is the maid mentioned.

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