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    You're correct in a technical sense but incorrect in a social sense. In 2025, "AI" in the common vernacular means LLMs. You can huff and puff about it, and about how there are plenty of non-LLM AIs out there. But you might as well complain that people mean silicon-based Turing-complete machines when they refer to a "computer," even though technically a computer can mean many other things. You might as well be complaining about how a computer could refer to someone that does calculations by hand for a living. Or you could refer to something like Babbage's difference engine as a computer. There are many things that can technically fall under the category of "computer." But you know damn well what people are saying when they describe a computer. And hell, in common vernacular, a smart phone isn't even a "computer," even though it literally is just a computer. Words have both technical and vernacular meanings.

    In 2025, in the language real speak in the real world, "AI" is a synonym for "LLM."

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    That's really the crux of this stupid argument. Is a neural network that analyzes x-rays before handing them to a doctor AI? I would say no. At this point, AI means "over hyped LLM and other generalist models." But the person trying to judge others over AI would say yes.

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      I mean, I don’t believe copyright should even exist. But if that’s true, then companies likewise need to release all their models freely to the public, which they won’t.

      “Copyright for me, not for thee” seems to be the mantra.

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      That is exactly how they are using these models.

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        No idea what you are talking about. The largest majority cals LLMs artificial intelligence. Because lnguistically, LLM is simply a subtyp of AI.

        In public discourse and marketing, “AI” has become a blanket term for anything that learns and writes like a human, and LLMs fit the bill. So as a linguistic shortcut, when LLMs got popular, people replaced that specific kind of AI with just “AI. By definition, an LLM is a kind of AI, a specialized system trained on massive text to generate language, making it a clear hyponym of AI. That relationship justifies calling LLMs simply AI.

        There is also because of generic reference: It's easier to say "I used AI" than to specify "I prompted a 175B‑parameter transformer model."

        I sorry dude, but these are jusy linguistic mechanism at play. You can shout and complain so you want, it's AI. It's AI. Get over it, find a different hill to die on.

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        Yes, keep using language that implies amuch greater ability than it has. Keep using marketing terms that these corporations want you to use. Yes, keep simping for the rich people trying to make employees obsolete. They definitely won't replace you as soon as "AI" is no longer a misnomer!

        Your ignorance only makes you pathetic.

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          It’s AI the same way the CPU players in NHL ‘94 are AI

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          The video game industry has it's own definition of what an "AI" is, which is very different than everywhere else.

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            To a layman, no it's not and should not be viewed as the same, either. One is a MASSIVE stack of precomputed matrices (NOT a neural network), the other a stack of predetermined algorithms with some random() thrown in.

            They are all actually and literally completely different in form, function, and computing requirement.

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            The precomputed matrices are definitely a neural network. GPT literally stands for generative pre-trained transformer, a transformer being a well known neural network architecture.

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              ITT: exactly what the tweet was about.
              (Edit: It was a tumblr post.)

              Y'all just saw "AI" and started frothing at the mouth about LLMs when, in the context of the tweet, it might just as well have referred to path finding AI in a video game.

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              But tbf 'AI' in current public discourse and pop culture is (annoyingly) used synonymously with 'LLM' more often than not

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                Until we fundamentally invent a new algorithmic approach to ML then there will be no more progress made in the abilities of AI.

                So it's here and it's finished for a long time. Now is when you make a judgment on the validity of a new tech.

                And this tech has been all marketing and no substance besides the ML applications we have been using them for since the 90s.

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                  If I'm seeing the word "AI" outside of academic research or shitposting, it's almost certainly coming from a Techbro or techbro simp.

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                    The precomputed matrices are definitely a neural network. GPT literally stands for generative pre-trained transformer, a transformer being a well known neural network architecture.

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                    No, a neural network is explicitly a type of architecture that mimics neurons. A transformer is just that: a methematical operation.

                    You're making the mistake of calling a backhoe a "tractor" just because it's also used for moving dirt around... Yes, both are heavy machinery, but that doesn't magically make the terms interchangeable.

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                      you could be talking about video game AI... but are you?

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                      I wasn't talking about AI at all, I was talking about people talking about AI.

                      AFAICT the OP was talking about vocaloid.
                      https://sexygaywizard.tumblr.com/post/739313272247009280/some-of-yall-will-see-the-word-ai-and-freak-out#notes

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                        No, a neural network is explicitly a type of architecture that mimics neurons. A transformer is just that: a methematical operation.

                        You're making the mistake of calling a backhoe a "tractor" just because it's also used for moving dirt around... Yes, both are heavy machinery, but that doesn't magically make the terms interchangeable.

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                        https://arxiv.org/pdf/1706.03762

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                          https://arxiv.org/pdf/1706.03762

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                          Like I said. You're mixing your terms. Linking a paper does not prove you understand what you're talking about.

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                            Pretty sus how much pro-AI slop is suddenly on lemmy right as GPT5 is about to be launched.

                            Be less fucking obvious, you dipshits.

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                              It's wild that OP would think these two things are equivalent.

                              Pronouns are a thing that harms nobody, and the people frothing at the mouth are going out of their way to hurt people who did nothing wrong.

                              AI (in its most common meaning at this time in pop culture) at the minimum is wasting electricity (and it's associated climate impact), and has the potential to totally decimate the job market and usher in an era of inequality that we haven't seen for hundreds of years, while simultaneously stealing from artists. The people frothing at the mouth aren't hurting anyone.

                              To use a bit of hyperbole, it's kinda like if you said:

                              Some of y'all see "white power" and freak out without processing anything that's being said, like a conservative who sees a mixed race couple.

                              Like pretty clearly people have a good reason for freaking out when they see that, and the other side of the equation are just bad people.

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                              • M [email protected]

                                Like I said. You're mixing your terms. Linking a paper does not prove you understand what you're talking about.

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                                Then explain to me how the neural networks behind LLMs are not mimicking neurons. Because that's the basic idea behind all of deep learning.

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                                  "AI" is not just LLMs or diffusion models, and that's what I think OPs is about, like, do you also hate Stockfish? Or enemies in a videogame?

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                                  How often do you think that this confusing actually results in people acting as described in the tweet?

                                  Context matters, and the people who are the audience for tweets about stockfish are aware of the nuance. Outside of niche communities, "AI" without additional explicit context means LLMs for the vast vast majority of the time.

                                  If this isn't a strawman, then it's at least a misleading argument.

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                                    Pretty sus how much pro-AI slop is suddenly on lemmy right as GPT5 is about to be launched.

                                    Be less fucking obvious, you dipshits.

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                                    amazing example of the person described in the post!

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                                      i saw someone on masto mad about the new background removal thing added to kdenlive

                                      i despise llms and image models for quite a number of reasons but just aaaaaaaaaaaaa

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                                      that is absolutely the coolest thing I have seen in technology in years

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                                        If you are still looking https://frame.work/ I didn't see any ai slop button on these.

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                                        I might consider that for myself, next time I need one, but the kid is not a techie. He needs something that just works, with anything he may encounter , for at least 4 years. Most damning of all he probably needs to be able to game, and is not interested in having to figure out extra steps

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                                        • W [email protected]

                                          If you want to take this one step further, it's the the inevitable result of identity politics in general.

                                          Once you decide to generalize away per-issue stances just to paint them "left or right", "red or blue", "my team your team" then it becomes trivial to make an argument that both sides are the same, or conversely that both sides are polar opposites. Whatever suits you.

                                          Republicans and Democrats both shovelled weapons to Israel. They are thus, as a whole, identical. Indistinguishable. Republicans are erasing reproductive Rights. Democrats are trying to guarantee them. They are thus, as a whole, complete polar opposites.

                                          Generalizing from the specific is a convenient mechanism, but error prone, and it leads to absolute trash discourse... Which in turn leads to a failure of consensus for specific demands to make during a protest.

                                          "No Kings" isn't realistically actionable.

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                                          Republicans and Democrats both shovelled weapons to Israel. They are thus, as a whole, identical. Indistinguishable.

                                          This is disputable. They have had very different approaches. I'm convinced this talking point is conjured up by Russia to sow dissent.

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