Need a keyboard with a dedicated "slop" button
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Art can be made out of literally anything.
Such as LLMs.
Art is art because a human put their thoughts and feelings behind it.
You don't think there's any thought put into AI art by the creators?
Art is art, it doesn't matter what tool or medium was used, what matters is it reflects the artists intention or vision.
You don't think there's any thought put into AI art by the creators?
I think it is vanishingly small, if present at all. Like watching somebody artistically pick which youtube video to watch while eating.
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... Did they both involve sending weapons to Israel?
This is exactly my point. You've made it better than I ever could have.
The minute you buy into identity politics, you'll reject what is front of your own eyes because you fail to seperate an issue from the whole. If "they" are wrong on the "issue", then you'll diminish the "issue" to protect the whole, thus protecting your identity.
Biden and the world and the current Democrats are absolutely fucked the dog on Israel. That doesn't mean the Democrat turd sandwich isn't still better than the giant douche, but there is no godly reason that one can't evaluate issues honestly.
US foreign policy involves US companies sending weapons to Isreal and the US gov providing aid. Its been that way for over 50 years. Once the war broke out for the first 6 months there was no reason that should change, the democrat policy during this time was to use the aid as leverage to constain isreal and they did. The republican policy as been to use the US's position on the world stage to empower isreal. These are two completely different approaches.
The dems got multiple ceasefires and pushed for a reasonable end to the conflict while republicans broke ceasefires and changed the deal to be so one sided there is near 0 chance gaza accepts.
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Exactly, it's downright comical how well OP called it.
Thanks commenter! That's why I posted it. I knew this would happen.
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Let's cook the fucking planet so we can generate stupid images we're too lazy to photoshop!
You’re kinda proving the point of post. That’s literally what everyone here thinks of when someone says Ai
Because it's true.
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If you take offense at what I said, that implies you believe something else. Believing something else other than the truth makes you either dumb or brainwashed or both. See how easy it is to apply logic when you're not letting a mindless computer do your "thinking"?!
More attacks, more insults.
You are adamant to continue proving my point.
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Yes, keep using language that implies amuch greater ability than it has. Keep using marketing terms that these corporations want you to use. Yes, keep simping for the rich people trying to make employees obsolete. They definitely won't replace you as soon as "AI" is no longer a misnomer!
Your ignorance only makes you pathetic.
And there go the insults and attacks. Just what I was talking about in the beginning: anti ai people are way more extremist, way more obnoxious. You don't even know where I stand, for you it's enough to know I'm not 110% on your side and that's enough to attack.
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If you are still looking https://frame.work/ I didn't see any ai slop button on these.
They use AI to translate the website, which is great, but the German looks awful at times.
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Let's cook the fucking planet so we can generate stupid images we're too lazy to photoshop!
Decided to look into it, and a loose estimate (it's hard to find data on the power usage of photoshop) is that 1 minute of photoshop average is about 1 gen image at 4k output.
Which means depending on use case and experience, an AI spun up locally to make something quickly would use far less electricity
Well my iPhone 14 Pro gets really hot really quickly and the battery is comparable to a countdown app when I load a totally local LLM
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I really don't think there is any useful generative or general AI.
So a lot of the issue is how marketing got their slimy tentacles around the word, but most "useful" AI is domain specific, symbolic ML (machine learning). Even LLMs have their uses in very specific domains, but again, general usage is very questionable.
People are already somewhat familiar with ML, but that's been kind of covered by the catch all term "algorithm". What most people understand as "the" algorithm (YouTube, Twitter, whatever) isn't a single algorithm, but a complex set of algorithms often at least partly compromised of some sort of ML.
All that to say, the general public really doesn't need to know this stuff and the serious engineers couldn't care less of our opinion of it. Fuck AI.
There is ai used for enemys and video games and some for protein folding
Thats the ones i mean with useful -
That's really the crux of this stupid argument. Is a neural network that analyzes x-rays before handing them to a doctor AI? I would say no. At this point, AI means "over hyped LLM and other generalist models." But the person trying to judge others over AI would say yes.
Is a neural network that analyzes x-rays before handing them to a doctor AI? I would say no.
The term "AI" is already pretty fuzzy even in the technical sense, but if that's how you're using it then it doesn't mean anything at all.
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So when this gets posted as a post it gets hundreds of upvotes but when I say the same thing as a lemmy comment I get hate?
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There is ai used for enemys and video games and some for protein folding
Thats the ones i mean with usefulYeah, sorry, that wasn't directed so much at you as it was using your post as a starting point.
I remember the Folding at Home program, that was more about distributed computing than AI. Game AI has been well-discussed for decades now, but in 99.9% of other AI cases it's usually in reference to the current trend (or trying to ride that wave) and like 0.1% niche nerd talk you caught a stray from.
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You're correct in a technical sense but incorrect in a social sense. In 2025, "AI" in the common vernacular means LLMs. You can huff and puff about it, and about how there are plenty of non-LLM AIs out there. But you might as well complain that people mean silicon-based Turing-complete machines when they refer to a "computer," even though technically a computer can mean many other things. You might as well be complaining about how a computer could refer to someone that does calculations by hand for a living. Or you could refer to something like Babbage's difference engine as a computer. There are many things that can technically fall under the category of "computer." But you know damn well what people are saying when they describe a computer. And hell, in common vernacular, a smart phone isn't even a "computer," even though it literally is just a computer. Words have both technical and vernacular meanings.
In 2025, in the language real speak in the real world, "AI" is a synonym for "LLM."
wrote last edited by [email protected]It's a failure of our education systems that people don't know what a computer is, something they interact with every day.
While the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis might be bunk, I'm convinced that if you go up one level in language structure there is a version of it that is true. That is treating words as if they don't need a consistent definition melts your brain. For the same reason that explaining a problem to someone else helps you solve it, doing the opposite and untethering your thoughts from self-consistant explanations stops you from explaining them even to yourself, and therefore harms your ability to think.
I wonder if this plays some part in how ChatGPT use apparently makes people dumber, that it could be not only because they become accustomed to not having to think, but because they become conditioned to accept text that is essentially void of consistent meaning.
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Branding something as “AI” just tells me that there probably wasn’t anybody critically examining the output to assess that it wasn’t 100% BS. If you’re using computer technology to scan bodies for possible early cancer symptoms, for example, then you should have a professional look over the computer’s results and you shouldn’t use the marketing terms that are used for churning out brainless media content.
Branding something as “AI” just tells me that there probably wasn’t anybody critically examining the output to assess that it wasn’t 100% BS.
I think those two ideas are completely unrelated. LLMs are indeed an application of AI, and whether someone assesses its output has nothing to do with what they call the tool. I mean, people can be selectively specific in the areas that matter, but it doesn't mean they're wrong or obtuse across the board.
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Let's cook the fucking planet so we can generate stupid images we're too lazy to photoshop!
Decided to look into it, and a loose estimate (it's hard to find data on the power usage of photoshop) is that 1 minute of photoshop average is about 1 gen image at 4k output.
Which means depending on use case and experience, an AI spun up locally to make something quickly would use far less electricity
Without training I assume? (Which on top of that almost always violates liscenses)
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Move over gamers, AI shills are the most discriminated group now!
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How often do you think that this confusing actually results in people acting as described in the tweet?
Context matters, and the people who are the audience for tweets about stockfish are aware of the nuance. Outside of niche communities, "AI" without additional explicit context means LLMs for the vast vast majority of the time.
If this isn't a strawman, then it's at least a misleading argument.
Saying AI = LLMs is an severe oversimplification though. LLMs and image generators are subsets of AI that are currently most prominent and with which is most commonly knowingly being interacted with, but pretty much every formal definition is wider than that. Recommendation algorithms, as used on YouTube or social media, the smart (photo) search, are further examples of AI that people interact with. And fraud detection, learning spam filters, abnormality (failure) detection, traffic estimation are even more examples. All of these things are formally defined as AI and are very much commonplace, I would not call them niche.
The fact that LLMs and image generators are currently the most prominent examples does not necessarily exclude other examples from being part of the group too.
Using AI as a catch all phrase is simply a case of overgeneralization, in part due to the need of brevity. For some cases the difference does not matter, or is even beneficial. For example, 'don't train AI models on my art' would only marginally affect applications other than image generation and image analysis, and covers any potential future applications that may pop up.
However, statements 'ban AI' could be easily misconstrued, and may be interpreted in a much wider manner than what the original author may have intended. There will be people with a variety of definitions to what does or does not constitute AI, which will lead to miscommunication unless it is clear from context.
It probably wouldn't hurt clarifying things specifically and talking about the impact of a specific application, rather than discussing what is (or is not) to be classified as AI.
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It's wild that OP would think these two things are equivalent.
Pronouns are a thing that harms nobody, and the people frothing at the mouth are going out of their way to hurt people who did nothing wrong.
AI (in its most common meaning at this time in pop culture) at the minimum is wasting electricity (and it's associated climate impact), and has the potential to totally decimate the job market and usher in an era of inequality that we haven't seen for hundreds of years, while simultaneously stealing from artists. The people frothing at the mouth aren't hurting anyone.
To use a bit of hyperbole, it's kinda like if you said:
Some of y'all see "white power" and freak out without processing anything that's being said, like a conservative who sees a mixed race couple.
Like pretty clearly people have a good reason for freaking out when they see that, and the other side of the equation are just bad people.
the OOP is a joke. They didn't specify if that reaction is bad in that case
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Art can be made out of literally anything.
Such as LLMs.
Art is art because a human put their thoughts and feelings behind it.
You don't think there's any thought put into AI art by the creators?
Art is art, it doesn't matter what tool or medium was used, what matters is it reflects the artists intention or vision.
Art is art, it doesn’t matter what tool or medium was used, what matters is it reflects the artists intention or vision.
Based. Nothing triggers redditors and chuds alike than recognizing the value in all art.
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Without training I assume? (Which on top of that almost always violates liscenses)
Without training, but once you've trained one model then that model can be used by millions.
An equivalent comparison would be the resources used by millions learning Photoshop in order to use it in the first place.
