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Valve seems to have quietly rolled out a major upgrade to their Anti-Cheat system and it’s apparently wrecking havoc on cheat providers

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  • mr_madafaka@lemmy.mlM [email protected]

    https://www.reddit.com/r/cs2/comments/1ng6opf/1309_major_vac_live_updates_leaving_cheaters/

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    Will this apply for TF2 also?

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      I really hope valve can get VAC into a good space so it can be an example of doing anti-cheat well without having to be a rootkit. Looks like we're heading towards that point. Hopefully this change will last

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      I wonder if that is actually their long-term goal. I feel like anti-cheats are like the last obstacle for Linux gaming where some highly popular games are straight-up unplayable on Linux; with how much stake Valve has in the success of Linux gaming (Steam Deck duh) maybe they want to make it so that eventually all games with anti-cheats can run on Linux

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      • ohshit604@sh.itjust.worksO [email protected]

        Rockstar botched that system, I can attest as I used numerous different mod menus on GTA V Online, most well developed menus will let you alter yours (and others) in-game reputation by spamming the commend/report functions.

        Spawning in UFO’s an such was the highlight of GTA V Online for me, haven’t touched the game since I moved to Linux, I hear it’s broken due to the new anti-cheat.

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        They made it much easier to setup private lobbies for friends and crew. Haven't played in public lobbies in years.

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          More like getting kicked out of a club, you can still go to other clubs.

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          And you can contest the ban and potentially get it lifted and return to the same game.

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            I wonder if that is actually their long-term goal. I feel like anti-cheats are like the last obstacle for Linux gaming where some highly popular games are straight-up unplayable on Linux; with how much stake Valve has in the success of Linux gaming (Steam Deck duh) maybe they want to make it so that eventually all games with anti-cheats can run on Linux

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            #124

            I mean, to me, this is amazingly obviously the goal.

            Games run better ~5% fps better now on Linux (when using a distro configured for gaming) than they do on Windows.

            As you say, last technical obstacle is kernel AC rootkits.

            Solve that, anyone still gaming on Windows is a MSFT fanboy, afraid of change, whatever.

            But they have very little actual solid reason to remain on Windows.

            Start getting people outta Windows for home PCs, it becomes basically just a shitty corpo OS.

            Rather, not OS... but ecosystem.

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            • mr_madafaka@lemmy.mlM [email protected]

              https://www.reddit.com/r/cs2/comments/1ng6opf/1309_major_vac_live_updates_leaving_cheaters/

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              userbase is

              blech

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              • irelephant@lemmy.dbzer0.comI [email protected]

                I used Roblox cheats when I was younger because I was bored.

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                When I was a little kid and I ran into cheaters in Halo: Custom Edition I still hated them and would never do it. I don't think being a bored little kid is an excuse.

                That said if you don't do it anymore that's a little more excusable at least you stopped.

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                • mr_madafaka@lemmy.mlM [email protected]

                  https://www.reddit.com/r/cs2/comments/1ng6opf/1309_major_vac_live_updates_leaving_cheaters/

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                  You love to see it

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                    That's what we call having hundred of untouched games in the steam library. Right?

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                    Can I write them off on my taxes if I never play them?

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                    • N [email protected]

                      According to quick google, he only has 4 ships in his fleet (with fifth being built right now), and 5 ships is a very small amount for any respectable admiral.

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                      Jesus Christ... Why are people like this?

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                      • G [email protected]

                        When you suspect someone of being highly dangerous you put them in jail even if they are not convicted yet. And when it turns out they are innocent they are released.

                        A ban is like jail not like a death sentence ...

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                        Not a bad analogy, but there is a major problem with pre-trial detention being abused in the US, leaving people in jail for years at a time without having a trial. So maybe not the best thing to compare it to.

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                        • mugita_sokiovt@discuss.onlineM [email protected]

                          GTA is a disgusting franchise, and the content in the games is just awful. Maybe the stories are good, but do you really need to insert heavy esex and substance use into a game like that? That's called desensitization, and I'm sensitive to quite a few things (not this fake sensitivity that's floating around... legit sensitivity).

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                          heavy s-x and substance use

                          Did you just self-censor the word "sex"?

                          Bruh.

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                            AFAIK why not add a mod that removes these things

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                            That stuff is hard-coded into the game, and would potentially be impossible to remove.

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                              heavy s-x and substance use

                              Did you just self-censor the word "sex"?

                              Bruh.

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                              I pulled an Am I The Genius? here, which explains it. I might have to modify that a bit, since I don't remember how they did it.

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                              • mr_madafaka@lemmy.mlM [email protected]

                                https://www.reddit.com/r/cs2/comments/1ng6opf/1309_major_vac_live_updates_leaving_cheaters/

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                                I was blissfully unaware, probably because I'm not cheating scum.

                                Couldn't have happened to a better community of people.

                                Fuck cheaters.

                                IMO, cheating is just taking away all the fun of the game. The cheater didn't have to get gud to be able to win, and the victim is denied any recourse or any fun in playing the game. Bluntly, I have absolutely no sympathy at all for these kinds of people. If you suck at the game and need to use cheats to win, maybe don't fucking play it competitively?

                                There's a reason I've kept my counterstrike antics to private games among friends and local matches against bots. I have no interest in larder boards. I just want to have fun. Dying over and over before you can even do any damage, isn't fun.

                                If you're a cheater, get wrecked.

                                Bravo valve. Bravo.

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                                  Ig buying a game will give Valve + the dev/publisher Money (cause Valve Takes 30%)

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                                  Yeah. Go buy hollow Knight, or schedule 1, or anything from an indie studio. Support both good devs and studios, and valve. And you even get a fun game to go with your support. Honestly, everyone wins.

                                  .... Does anyone still wonder why I boycotted all other gaming platforms other than steam?

                                  You think you're going to get anti-cheat this good from the likes of epic? Ha.

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                                    Jesus Christ... Why are people like this?

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                                    .... Because when it comes to billionaires, gaben is the least of our concern?

                                    Don't get me wrong, billionaires are always bad, but not all billionaires are hated.

                                    You won't see Bezos doing anything that helps people, not unless it will line his pockets. Valve doesn't charge us for using vac, they're unlikely to sell a lot of new copies of CS2 by making it harder to cheat in the game. They have nearly zero financial reasons to bother with any of this. They did it anyways.

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                                      I was blissfully unaware, probably because I'm not cheating scum.

                                      Couldn't have happened to a better community of people.

                                      Fuck cheaters.

                                      IMO, cheating is just taking away all the fun of the game. The cheater didn't have to get gud to be able to win, and the victim is denied any recourse or any fun in playing the game. Bluntly, I have absolutely no sympathy at all for these kinds of people. If you suck at the game and need to use cheats to win, maybe don't fucking play it competitively?

                                      There's a reason I've kept my counterstrike antics to private games among friends and local matches against bots. I have no interest in larder boards. I just want to have fun. Dying over and over before you can even do any damage, isn't fun.

                                      If you're a cheater, get wrecked.

                                      Bravo valve. Bravo.

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                                      I used to cheat in GunZ online, but to be fair, I was like 11, the game wasn't competitive, and leveling up for cooler gear and to unlock new maps was HARD work.

                                      Eventually I'd git semi gud and stopped bothering with the cheats. But it was fun as hell flying through the map with no clip, as a ball of fire that killed everything except other cheaters with godmode lmao

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                                        When I was a little kid and I ran into cheaters in Halo: Custom Edition I still hated them and would never do it. I don't think being a bored little kid is an excuse.

                                        That said if you don't do it anymore that's a little more excusable at least you stopped.

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                                        A big part of the boredom was the fact there was other cheaters ruining the same game.

                                        But yeah, I wouldn't use cheats now

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                                          Finally, VAC is a good anticheat, and that works without running deep into the kernel.

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                                          Finally, VAC is a good anticheat, and that works without running deep into the kernel

                                          So this will solve the linux client not working because of crappy kernel level anti-cheat software?

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