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Meet the AI vegans. They are refusing to use artificial intelligence for environmental, ethical and personal reasons

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  • D [email protected]

    And you have to wade through so much to find the right one. Or type in AI wait a minute and get the answer.

    Uhhh, type in AI, wait a minute and get an answer. How are you checking it? rm - f / isn't the only filesystem footgun.

    I'm finding AI to be right roughly only 60% of the time, and it's as bad and hallucinatory about shell scripts as it is about everything else.

    It will happily admit its mistakes and give you another answer when you call it out, but it's no more likely to be right that time.

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    I've had them give me the exact same answer a second time. They politely apologized first, of course, and they were just as confident that it was correct as the first time.

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    • gradually_adjusting@lemmy.worldG [email protected]

      High five, fuck yes. Cool person detected. I think you're the first one to spot it, too.

      I wish I had that series in print. Might be time to look into that

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      Ooh, print would be amazing. $30 for the softcover, wonder about shipping though...
      I have to believe you're underestimating how recognizable TOE is.

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      • uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zoneU [email protected]

        I've never used AI, even when wanting to give it a try. There was either a queue or a fee, or must click-wrap agree to terms and conditions for free two months and I wasn't going to do those.

        I never did an NFT either.

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        Eh, you can download and run them locally now, and they don't even phone home.

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        • Z [email protected]

          What a terrible choice of words. They’re immediately assigning political placement and party to the idea of avoiding AI use instead of appealing to all of humanity on this topic.

          Plus, it’s a silly metaphor.

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          Which is the vegan party?

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          • E [email protected]

            Affirmations without argumentation can be dismissed without argumentation

            Saying AI is a sorting algorithm is just inaccurate. What can I say apart from its just not how it works? Anyone who studied that field knows how much they’re dishonest. They are just too many possibilities and types of AI to list them all

            At this point a video game is just a glorified sorting algorithm of pixels of color

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            You use so many long words. do you also read them?

            like, at all?

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            • zarkanian@sh.itjust.worksZ [email protected]

              It's pretty clear that the author doesn't intend it as a compliment.

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              That sounds like a 'them' problem. Veganism is based.

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              • Z [email protected]

                You do you bb. Keep believing whatever makes you feel best.

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                Sounds kinda like you've got nothing and you know it

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                • C [email protected]

                  Ooh, print would be amazing. $30 for the softcover, wonder about shipping though...
                  I have to believe you're underestimating how recognizable TOE is.

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                  It's a hard one to gauge for me. I'm pretty sure I found it via stumbleupon back when that was really great. I read the whole thing in close to one go, and I never hear anyone else talk about it.

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                    Did anyone let them know that reproduction harms the environment?

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                    • F [email protected]

                      I'm sex vegan. Cry about it virgins

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                      It only counts when it's voluntary, tho.

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                      • R [email protected]

                        It's natural to eat animal products, but many humans try to live by ethical standards, not just instincts and traditions. Just because the stronger caveman used to be able to just bash their neighbor's head in and take their belongings, doesn't make it acceptable by today's standards.
                        So while I do agree with your initial assessment, considering that we have the option nowadays to have a healthy diet based on non animal products, I would also agree with the previous comment saying that it is not wacky contrarian to eat / live vegan.

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                        By definition contrarian is somebody who opposes or rejects popular opinion. So yes by definition being vegan is contrarian lmfao. Not saying I have any issues with it there's nothing wrong with being vegan I'm just saying it is by definition contrarian to be vegan. And nothing wrong with being contrarian either! Judging by the votes on my original comment, it appears that me stating veganism is contrarian was in fact a contrarian opinion lmfao. I regularly have vegetarian and vegan meals, and I love my meat. Hopefully people didn't get the wrong idea about my opinions on veganism as there are no negative ones from me ...

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                        • regrettable_incident@lemmy.worldR [email protected]

                          It may be natural to eat animals, but in modern society it is definitely not necessary. I eat some meat, but I respect those who don't.

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                          This^ our global market has made veganism a very healthy option considering we can get foods grown in other environments that are protein rich and such. I think if you were limited to only what's local, being a healthy vegan would be a lot harder but having access to all manner of foods these days makes it easy

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                          • D [email protected]

                            Kiiiinda confused. Am I fly? Nah, I am a human. And most of us eat mixed diet. That's normal. Baseline. So, eating only veggies is wacky. Same with eating only meat.

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                            This guy has the definition of a metaphor on hand but apparently can't look up what contrarian means 🤣

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                            • oatscoop@midwest.socialO [email protected]

                              Theft, rape, and murder are "natural" too.

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                              they're not advocating for any of those, and they're not committing a falacy.

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                              • U [email protected]

                                Maybe we should be more like the luddites, starting with data centers.

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                                The luddites wooden shoes are not all that different from the folk that put zip bombs and other tarpits on their websites to break the crawlers.

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                                • I [email protected]

                                  By definition contrarian is somebody who opposes or rejects popular opinion. So yes by definition being vegan is contrarian lmfao. Not saying I have any issues with it there's nothing wrong with being vegan I'm just saying it is by definition contrarian to be vegan. And nothing wrong with being contrarian either! Judging by the votes on my original comment, it appears that me stating veganism is contrarian was in fact a contrarian opinion lmfao. I regularly have vegetarian and vegan meals, and I love my meat. Hopefully people didn't get the wrong idea about my opinions on veganism as there are no negative ones from me ...

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                                  As I said, Iagreed with your initial comment, but also the previous one. And I don't think the word contrarian is very well applicable to this situation, because it is not about opinions as much as it is about personal preferences. I wouldn't call it contrarian that I like brussel sprouts when many people do not...

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                                  • gradually_adjusting@lemmy.worldG [email protected]

                                    It's a hard one to gauge for me. I'm pretty sure I found it via stumbleupon back when that was really great. I read the whole thing in close to one go, and I never hear anyone else talk about it.

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                                    stumbleupon, wow... That takes me back.

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                                    • Z [email protected]

                                      Im also a gun vegan, a car vegan, a facebook vegan, an exercise vegan (unfortunately), a windows vegan, ... just not actual vegan.

                                      I feel like thats a bad way to use the word vegan.

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                                      It’s an incredibly stupid phrase. Like, mind-numbingly stupid. “I’m not gluten free, I’m a bread vegan.” Idiotic

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                                      • H [email protected]

                                        LLMs definitely are full of crap. But that isn't the point of them (even if some corporations make it seem like it is)

                                        They are supposed to be used for text generation. And you are supposed to read through everything afterwards to correct any hallucinations.

                                        It can't work on its own, and make mistakes about 30% of the time.

                                        But there are use cases where that isn't a problem. Use them as inspiration for creative writing prompts for example. They are crazy good at that.

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                                        Truth is definitely a bit of a blind spot for LLMs.

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                                        • N [email protected]

                                          I was trying to use it for a long time, but the results are never fine for me. The situation when I search for something specific, the duck shows me nothing, and the google shows me exactly what I need is far too often for me to completely switch.
                                          Granted, I don't keep cookies, I use all the adblocks possible, and I disabled google's LLM bullshit, otherwise google is borderline unusable.

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                                          !g to pipe to Google if you must, I rarely need to.

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