China is quietly pushing ahead with massive 50,000Mbps broadband rollout to leapfrog rest of the world on internet speeds
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That's entirely speculative. There are diminishing returns. Unless you're going to host your own YouTube, the use case for 50Gbps connections to the home is quite small. 4K video streaming at Ultra HD Blu-ray bitrates doesn't even come close to saturating 1Gbps, and all streaming services compress 4K video significantly more than what Ultra HD Blu-ray offers. The server side is the limit, not home connections.
Now, if you want to talk about self-hosting stuff and returning the Internet to a more peer-to-peer architecture, then you need IPv6. Having any kind of NAT in the way is not going to work. Connection speed still isn't that important.#
there could be some new thing that no one has not even bothered to think about because of the limitations. Imagine streaming back when downloading few kilobytes for an hours was considered reasonable, people would have laughed at the very thought of it.
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there could be some new thing that no one has not even bothered to think about because of the limitations. Imagine streaming back when downloading few kilobytes for an hours was considered reasonable, people would have laughed at the very thought of it.
We're not using the bandwidth we have. Many US cities have service with 1Gbps download speed available. I have it for my own reasons. Servers are the bottleneck; they rarely even reach half that speed.
If we're not using 1Gbps, why should we believe something would pop up if we had 50Gbps?
Now, direct addressing where everyone can be a server and bandwidth utilization is spread more towards the edges of the network? Then you have something that could saturate 1Gbps. But you can't do that on IPv4.
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50gbps **shared line using passive optical splitters. Bit misleading there Chona, nobody is getting an actual 50gbps connection to their house.
They're over here talking about 50Gb XGS-PON for residential like anyone is actually going to use it. I bet their end users will still complain about slow speeds.
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Do you actually have 10G switches and network cards, or is everything behind your router on 1G?
I have a cheap noname chinese switch with 2x10gbit ports and 4x2.5 Gbps ports, so I have the 10 Gbit ports to the internet and my computer, and use a 2.5 gbps port for my NAS, everything else is 1 gbit
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China has this covered hands down. If you say Winnie, two mean looking Chinese men appear behind you.
Not just this, I'm not sure if they checked about LGBT rights in China.
From outside the first world Trump and his supporters look scandalist, loud, corrupt and incompetent. Which is sad. But they don't seem fascist most of the time.
Anyway, if we take Putin, he's done many things, one thing he's consistently never done is say antisemitic or easily recognizable fascist things. There is some popularity of Ivan Ilyin around him, who is a Russian emigrant fascist philosopher, though (who apparently wanted to fix problems with Mussolini and the own such "thinkers" of the White movement, except he was on the dumber side, so compared to his writings Mein Kampf seems intellectually elegant).
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I live in London and my speed is 64-69Mb, only two choices of BT/Openreach or Virgin Media where I live sadly. I have thought about switching to VM as they seem more stable where I live now, I do check other fibre options like Community Fibre, Hyperoptics and YouFibre regularly to see 8f in my area, sadly not yet :o(
Virgin will definitely be faster, they'll do up to a gigabit. Hopefully open reach rolls out fibre to you soon. I only got the fibre to my house last month!
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Virgin will definitely be faster, they'll do up to a gigabit. Hopefully open reach rolls out fibre to you soon. I only got the fibre to my house last month!
Ty, yeah I have spoken to some neighbours who have Virgin now and they seem quite happy with it, so it looks a good choice to me, through I would see about modem mode with the VM hub as I prefer my own network equipment and hate using ISP ones, currently looking at pfsense or opnsense soon, so hope works well with VM hub :o/
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There's a bunch of places in the US that has 10 Gbps speed, so this jump to 50 Gbps is not too shocking. Writing it as 50,000 Mbps to make it seem huge is an interesting take.
Worse than that, from the article:
The 50G-PON ITU-T standard supports theoretical speeds of up to 50 Gbps downstream and up to 25 Gbps upstream, though current real-world deployments in China - led by China Telecom, its regional branch Shanghai Telecom, and ZTE - typically provide 10 Gbps all-optical access.
So the 50G number is just theoretical and actual real world speed is only 10G. Due to regulations in the US, advertisements would need to advertise the real speeds. So this is really just the same as 10Gbps anywhere else.
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Worse than that, from the article:
The 50G-PON ITU-T standard supports theoretical speeds of up to 50 Gbps downstream and up to 25 Gbps upstream, though current real-world deployments in China - led by China Telecom, its regional branch Shanghai Telecom, and ZTE - typically provide 10 Gbps all-optical access.
So the 50G number is just theoretical and actual real world speed is only 10G. Due to regulations in the US, advertisements would need to advertise the real speeds. So this is really just the same as 10Gbps anywhere else.
Yep, which makes alarmist articles like this ridiculous.
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China has this covered hands down. If you say Winnie, two mean looking Chinese men appear behind you.
Horses are fucked in China. They winnie all the time.
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Not just this, I'm not sure if they checked about LGBT rights in China.
From outside the first world Trump and his supporters look scandalist, loud, corrupt and incompetent. Which is sad. But they don't seem fascist most of the time.
Anyway, if we take Putin, he's done many things, one thing he's consistently never done is say antisemitic or easily recognizable fascist things. There is some popularity of Ivan Ilyin around him, who is a Russian emigrant fascist philosopher, though (who apparently wanted to fix problems with Mussolini and the own such "thinkers" of the White movement, except he was on the dumber side, so compared to his writings Mein Kampf seems intellectually elegant).
Even the most evil people can have good moments and we can appreciate those without changing outlet overall opinion.
Iām still waiting for Trumpās good moment
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Worse than that, from the article:
The 50G-PON ITU-T standard supports theoretical speeds of up to 50 Gbps downstream and up to 25 Gbps upstream, though current real-world deployments in China - led by China Telecom, its regional branch Shanghai Telecom, and ZTE - typically provide 10 Gbps all-optical access.
So the 50G number is just theoretical and actual real world speed is only 10G. Due to regulations in the US, advertisements would need to advertise the real speeds. So this is really just the same as 10Gbps anywhere else.
Wait, there are regulations about advertising true speed? Does ComCast know?
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Wait, there are regulations about advertising true speed? Does ComCast know?
It may be only loosely enforced with fines but there are FTC rules that all online marketing must follow https://www.ftc.gov/business-guidance/resources/advertising-marketing-internet-rules-road
It does and up helping a little bit. I'm addition to government fines, they also risk class action lawsuits from their customers. I'm willing to bet this is more of a hurdle than China has for state owned companies.
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It will be in 10 years when a majority of their country has access to it. Industrialization in China is on a different level.
In less than 25 years they will take the top spot for global economy, and likely everything else.
Yep, and in ten years, weāll still be arguing absolute it whether dsl counts as ābroadbandā
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Why do I care? Why it need to be so fast?
For me, the normal stuff. Mathematically my gig fiber is overkill for my usage. And internet services can rarely keep up with that - you want to download some update or new game? Itās throttled at the source regardless of your internet connection
But in reality when I visit people with āfast enoughā internet, I always see glitches and buffering and lag. While it usually serves the need and sometimes gets advertised bandwidth, gig fiber always serves the need. I shouldnāt have to complain about my network or worry about how many streams or how big a download or how many people on their phones. I should never worry about lag during games or interrupted video calls. And I shouldnāt have to worry about sketchy broadband providers (like xFinity/ConCast) way over provisioning their lines or otherwise never delivering marketed bandwidth.
Gig fiber delivers. Always. Like any good infrastructure you donāt even have to think about it: it just always does the job
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That's entirely speculative. There are diminishing returns. Unless you're going to host your own YouTube, the use case for 50Gbps connections to the home is quite small. 4K video streaming at Ultra HD Blu-ray bitrates doesn't even come close to saturating 1Gbps, and all streaming services compress 4K video significantly more than what Ultra HD Blu-ray offers. The server side is the limit, not home connections.
Now, if you want to talk about self-hosting stuff and returning the Internet to a more peer-to-peer architecture, then you need IPv6. Having any kind of NAT in the way is not going to work. Connection speed still isn't that important.#
Take a look at
devContainersas an idea that might be generalized. Itās just docker containers so so big but not huge however the use case ā¦.devContainersare a complete portable development environment, with support from major IDEs. Letās say I want to work on a Java service. I open my IDE, it pulls the latest Java devContainer with my environment and all my tools, fetches the latest from git, and Iām ready to go. The problem with this use case is Iām waiting this whole time. I donāt want to sit around for a minute or two every time I want to edit a program. The latest copy needs to be here, now, as I open my IDE -
Take a look at
devContainersas an idea that might be generalized. Itās just docker containers so so big but not huge however the use case ā¦.devContainersare a complete portable development environment, with support from major IDEs. Letās say I want to work on a Java service. I open my IDE, it pulls the latest Java devContainer with my environment and all my tools, fetches the latest from git, and Iām ready to go. The problem with this use case is Iām waiting this whole time. I donāt want to sit around for a minute or two every time I want to edit a program. The latest copy needs to be here, now, as I open my IDEMaybe don't rely on cloud garbage for basic development?
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Maybe don't rely on cloud garbage for basic development?
Technically I donāt. Iām also the guy running CI/CD building devContainers for my engineers. They no longer have to worry about updating certificates and versions or security patches, and IT doesnāt have to worry about a lot of crap on their laptops that IT doesnāt manage. Engineers can use a standard laptop install and just get the latest of everything they need, scanned, verified, as soon as itās available. And since itās all automated, I can support many variations
At work, Iām on the same network, but working from home, I still need the responsiveness to do my job
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Even the most evil people can have good moments and we can appreciate those without changing outlet overall opinion.
Iām still waiting for Trumpās good moment
My point was - people may have consistency in words and actions, but not between words and actions.
