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Google Chrome disables uBlock Origin for some in Manifest v3 rollout

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  • V [email protected]

    What is everyone's thoughts on duckduckgo browser? I'm on grapheme os and have always used Firefox on my desktop

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    Why not use Firefox for android too?

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    • sturgist@lemmy.caS [email protected]

      30+ years!

      .....fuck off, '94 wasn't 30.... counts on fingers several times

      .....Shit.....

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      It doesn’t sound right but it is. I think in ‘94 I was using Juno for email and internet. Shortly after that it was time to actually use one of the many AOL trial discs for service instead of a mini frisbee/ninja star.

      Modem sounds, chat rooms, you’ve got mail. What a time to live!

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      • P [email protected]

        I know... Jurassic Park is 33 years this year. It would be like watching a movie from the 60' when it was released.

        We're old, friend.

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        I've never hated my life more than right now...

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        • B [email protected]

          A lot of websites are broken on Firefox which is a shame. I can’t even scroll down on some news sites. What a shame…

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          This might be the fault of your ublock filters rather than Firefox. Do you have a cookie banner filter list? Some websites are blocking scrolling until you make a cookie decision. A short disable of ublock, rejecting the cookies should then work. The "downside" of a powerful ad blocker

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          • C [email protected]

            This comment made me look into if KDE has one and apparently they do it even has built in ad blocking.

            Off to compile for 3 hours. /j

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            #108

            Makes me remember when I used Konqueror with FF as a fallback before Chrome existed.

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            • teal@lemm.eeT [email protected]

              It doesn’t sound right but it is. I think in ‘94 I was using Juno for email and internet. Shortly after that it was time to actually use one of the many AOL trial discs for service instead of a mini frisbee/ninja star.

              Modem sounds, chat rooms, you’ve got mail. What a time to live!

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              Fuck. I got free internet for almost 5 years. So many AOL discs. 01, 02? Friend's dad had a T1 connection put into their house for his work. The difference between T1 and the 56k I had at home? At home walk out the room, have a smoke, maybe ⅔ a boob loaded. At buddy's house, that's when I realised that the internet had the potential to change everything. Whole boob before you could even stand up.

              Kids these days. No appreciation for how much struggle it used to be. Everything just. Just there. No bork the only computer in the house because boob.exe.

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                This might be the fault of your ublock filters rather than Firefox. Do you have a cookie banner filter list? Some websites are blocking scrolling until you make a cookie decision. A short disable of ublock, rejecting the cookies should then work. The "downside" of a powerful ad blocker

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                Agreed, I've never come across a site that was broken because of Firefox. Usually the culprit is adblock being too good at blocking, so just toggle it off and refresh and page loads just fine.

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                  #111

                  Use an alternative chromium based browser?

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                  • cyrano@lemmy.dbzer0.comC [email protected]

                    Firefox

                    https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/

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                    upvoted for the spinny gif ... weeeeeeeee 😄

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                    • cm0002@lemmy.worldC [email protected]
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                      Vivaldi on Linux and Windows is still good in my experience, and so far uBlock Origin for manifest v2 still works. I hope they keep v2 support forever, forking completely if they must.

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                        Let's be honest: Everything that might be "worse" or "annoying" in Firefox for someone is not relevant in comparison to "no working adblocker available". A browser without adblock is unusable

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                        #114

                        I haven't actually found anything that doesn't work on Firefox on my personal computer. At work we also use Firefox, and some things don't work on it, but some things don't work on chrome or edge either, it's a hodge poge.

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                        • mapleengineer@lemmy.worldM [email protected]

                          I switched to Firefox the morning they disabled uBlock Origin.

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                          I never left Firefox. It's a fantastic browser.

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                            Use an alternative chromium based browser?

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                            Don’t use chromium?

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                            • P [email protected]

                              True, but if an adblocker no longer works on a specific browser, change your browser! I started using Netscape back in '94, and lost count on how many browsers I've tested and used in the past... Holy shit, 30+ years!!

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                              Mosaic was awesome. Netscape 1 was pretty cool, but Netscape 2 and animated gifs... zowie! That was a day to remember.

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                                Unfortunately, there are only 3 companies developing browsers right now: Google, Apple and Mozilla.

                                Apple's browsers are only available on Apple platforms. In fact, if you're on iOS you have no choice, you have to use Safari. Even browsers labelled as "Chrome" or "Firefox" are actually Safari under the hood on iOS. But, on any non Apple platform, you can't use Safari.

                                Google is an ad company, so they don't want to allow ad blockers on their browser. So, it's a matter of time before every kind of ad blocking is disabled for Chrome users.

                                Firefox is almost entirely funded by Google, so there's a limit as to what they can do without the funding getting cut off. They seem to be trying to find a way forward without Google, but the result, if anything is as bad as Google if not worse:

                                "investing in privacy-respecting advertising to grow new revenue in the near term; developing trustworthy, open source AI to ensure technical and product relevance in the mid term;"

                                https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/mozilla-leadership-growth-planning-updates/

                                All these other browser people like are basically reskinned versions of Chrome or Firefox. They have a handful of people working on them. To actually develop a modern browser you need a big team. A modern browser basically has to be an OS capable of running everything from a 3d game engine, to a word processor, to a full featured debugger.

                                It looks like it's only a matter of time before there will be 0 browsers capable of blocking ads, because the only two companies that make multi-platform browsers depend on ads for their revenue, and both of them will have enormous expenses because they're obsessed with stupid projects like AI.

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                                • merc@sh.itjust.worksM [email protected]

                                  Unfortunately, there are only 3 companies developing browsers right now: Google, Apple and Mozilla.

                                  Apple's browsers are only available on Apple platforms. In fact, if you're on iOS you have no choice, you have to use Safari. Even browsers labelled as "Chrome" or "Firefox" are actually Safari under the hood on iOS. But, on any non Apple platform, you can't use Safari.

                                  Google is an ad company, so they don't want to allow ad blockers on their browser. So, it's a matter of time before every kind of ad blocking is disabled for Chrome users.

                                  Firefox is almost entirely funded by Google, so there's a limit as to what they can do without the funding getting cut off. They seem to be trying to find a way forward without Google, but the result, if anything is as bad as Google if not worse:

                                  "investing in privacy-respecting advertising to grow new revenue in the near term; developing trustworthy, open source AI to ensure technical and product relevance in the mid term;"

                                  https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/mozilla-leadership-growth-planning-updates/

                                  All these other browser people like are basically reskinned versions of Chrome or Firefox. They have a handful of people working on them. To actually develop a modern browser you need a big team. A modern browser basically has to be an OS capable of running everything from a 3d game engine, to a word processor, to a full featured debugger.

                                  It looks like it's only a matter of time before there will be 0 browsers capable of blocking ads, because the only two companies that make multi-platform browsers depend on ads for their revenue, and both of them will have enormous expenses because they're obsessed with stupid projects like AI.

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                                  It looks like it’s only a matter of time before there will be 0 browsers capable of blocking ads[.]

                                  I don't know if I'd take it that far. Firefox and the Chrome engine are open source projects. Anyone can modify the browser to enable ad-blocking in some form if a user is sufficiently determined. Now, will it be possible to write and distribute a popular an effective adblocker under these conditions? It appears to be getting harder.

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                                    It looks like it’s only a matter of time before there will be 0 browsers capable of blocking ads[.]

                                    I don't know if I'd take it that far. Firefox and the Chrome engine are open source projects. Anyone can modify the browser to enable ad-blocking in some form if a user is sufficiently determined. Now, will it be possible to write and distribute a popular an effective adblocker under these conditions? It appears to be getting harder.

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                                    Firefox and the Chrome engine are open source projects. Anyone can modify the browser to enable ad-blocking in some form if a user is sufficiently determined.

                                    Technically, sure. But, these are extremely complex software products, and it would be one hobbyist vs. an entire software division of a trillion dollar company who are determined to make sure you see ads.

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                                      The problem with Web Standards is that they're so complete, broad and complex that it's very hard as an independent team to get started writing a browser.

                                      You'd have so little daily active users compared to the titans products (Chromium, Gecko, WebKit) that even if you made something super good, it would still be hard to guarantee website compatibility without faking the user-agents.

                                      There's also a lot of complexity involved in writing a sandbox for every instance of a website (tabs or iframe) and sharing information between multiple process. I don't know how they do it in Chrome, but in Firefox they have a whole specification language for that which compiles to C++.

                                      You also have to recreate the DevTools and other tooling for developers to adopt your browser and for you to debug any issues with your DOM renderer...

                                      I love how much the web has to offer nowadays with technologies like WebRTC, WebSocket, Blobs, GamePad API, modern CSS3 but it has also the effect of locking us down into a tiny ecosystem.

                                      I really their should be legislation on what companies can do with their browser because they've become such an important piece of the internet so they should serve public good.

                                      I don't know how to make it happen and I don't even know if it's a good idea when you consider the governance issues it would bring for open-source project.

                                      I'm really passionate about this technology !

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                                      • merc@sh.itjust.worksM [email protected]

                                        Unfortunately, there are only 3 companies developing browsers right now: Google, Apple and Mozilla.

                                        Apple's browsers are only available on Apple platforms. In fact, if you're on iOS you have no choice, you have to use Safari. Even browsers labelled as "Chrome" or "Firefox" are actually Safari under the hood on iOS. But, on any non Apple platform, you can't use Safari.

                                        Google is an ad company, so they don't want to allow ad blockers on their browser. So, it's a matter of time before every kind of ad blocking is disabled for Chrome users.

                                        Firefox is almost entirely funded by Google, so there's a limit as to what they can do without the funding getting cut off. They seem to be trying to find a way forward without Google, but the result, if anything is as bad as Google if not worse:

                                        "investing in privacy-respecting advertising to grow new revenue in the near term; developing trustworthy, open source AI to ensure technical and product relevance in the mid term;"

                                        https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/mozilla-leadership-growth-planning-updates/

                                        All these other browser people like are basically reskinned versions of Chrome or Firefox. They have a handful of people working on them. To actually develop a modern browser you need a big team. A modern browser basically has to be an OS capable of running everything from a 3d game engine, to a word processor, to a full featured debugger.

                                        It looks like it's only a matter of time before there will be 0 browsers capable of blocking ads, because the only two companies that make multi-platform browsers depend on ads for their revenue, and both of them will have enormous expenses because they're obsessed with stupid projects like AI.

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                                        Apple has a conflict of interest too: they need to keep safari gimped so that users have to install apps instead of using PWAs, so that Apple can keep getting 30% of the app sales.

                                        As a result, Safari is terrible and very far behind in standards. It's the new internet explorer.

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                                        • N [email protected]

                                          Let's be honest: Everything that might be "worse" or "annoying" in Firefox for someone is not relevant in comparison to "no working adblocker available". A browser without adblock is unusable

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                                          What a silly comment. Chrome has plenty of good ad blockers still.

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